Come on Oklahomans

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by buckeye

quote:Mary Mitchell, who couldn't stop saying:"...white privilege..."

That sure makes me feel conciliatory.  (cough cough)

And because Obama signs were vandalized with swastikas, the whole Republican party "resemble hooligans, fringers and Birchers"?  A bigot will hate Obama and (possibly) vote for McCain just to serve his nefarious prejudice, but that proves nothing as to the nature of the Party at large.  In fact, it indicates nothing - had Gen. Powell run on the Republican ticket, his signs would've been defaced.  Would that prove that Democrats are horribly racist?

I'm sure this country has a long, storied history of defacing/stealing campaign paraphernalia.  Obama's campaign has exposed many of the sadly stalwart racists, but it's a shame when genuinely race-neutral criticisms (or relatively harmless shenanigans) are branded with the scarlet "R".  Throwing around accusations of racism is counterproductive to the efforts of those truly dedicated to equality.

I'm sorry to have said Republicans in general. I only meant Republicans in Oklahoma.

quoted for truth.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I noticed some Obama signs were spray painted in my neighborhood too. Not going to say its racist, because I dont know, but its not right regardless.

I was brokenhearted to see the picture of Christopher Walken on the electrical box at the corner of 111th and Elwood in Jenks was defaced with spray paint.

A-holes.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by buckeye

quote:I meant only Republicans in Oklahoma

Funny you'd bemoan the ever-devolving "level of political discourse here" then make things worse with yet another inane, bigoted generalization.  If you have no intention (or limited ability) to read and understand somebody else's viewpoint, at least 'somebody else' can find amusement in a little puerile sniping.  What's that Rule of Thumb concerning internet forums...something about the number of posts required before somebody gets called a Nazi?

Congratulations, you're ahead of the curve.

My "serious" participation in this fine thread ended when you refused to respond after I called you out on ridiculous conclusions.

Inane? Bigoted? Puerile? Nazi? I don't know how I offended you unless it was referring to the Repubs base as resembling fringers, hooligans and Birchers (that was just from observing a Palin rally btw). Maybe you identify with one of those groups?

You could have easily taken each one of those names and called me out on why I chose them and defended your party, but you didn't or can't. Instead you went with the boilerplate stuff. Boring. Devolved.

Anyway, you read a lot of stuff into a simple post. I have to take an artist's position on your rant. "At least I elicited an emotion."

edit: I reread this thread trying to find where I was bigoted, inane, fascist etc. and came up empty. But I did find this rather telling quote you made, "it's a shame when genuinely race-neutral criticisms (or relatively harmless shenanigans) are branded with the scarlet "R"."

Painting a swastika on an Obama sign in someones front yard is just a harmless shenanigan? My neighbors young children wanted to know why someone had messed up their front yard and what it meant. Was it just a teaching opportunity for their parents? Like when they see "F#*k Obama" or "Bush Liar" spray painted on a wall? Why did we even enact vandalism laws then?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by buckeye

quote:I meant only Republicans in Oklahoma

Funny you'd bemoan the ever-devolving "level of political discourse here" then make things worse with yet another inane, bigoted generalization.  If you have no intention (or limited ability) to read and understand somebody else's viewpoint, at least 'somebody else' can find amusement in a little puerile sniping.  What's that Rule of Thumb concerning internet forums...something about the number of posts required before somebody gets called a Nazi?

Congratulations, you're ahead of the curve.

My "serious" participation in this fine thread ended when you refused to respond after I called you out on ridiculous conclusions.

Inane? Bigoted? Puerile? Nazi? I don't know how I offended you unless it was referring to the Repubs base as resembling fringers, hooligans and Birchers (that was just from observing a Palin rally btw). Maybe you identify with one of those groups?

I guess you've selectively ignored the people at Obama rallies wearing "Palin is a C*nt" t-shirts.

If you'd like to see "fringers" just stop by the dailykos for a while.  Here is a little sampling of the hate there:

I support Obama, but I disagree on some major issues. One is that we need to use major authoritarian measures against wingnuts and theocrats to save this country. That in particular includes deprogramming institutions and a Gitmo like camp to deal with the worst wingnuts. These people should be removed from general society and need to be shut up.

I have believed this for years, but the behavior of the wingnuts at the McCain and Palin rallies further underscores the need to take harsh action against these people. Lincoln and FDR had to bend the Constitution at times, and I hope Obama has the guts to do so too to deal with these third rate creatures.

Each party has their nutjobs.  Please stop pretending that the Democrats have a corner on the "fairness" market.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by buckeye

quote:I meant only Republicans in Oklahoma

Funny you'd bemoan the ever-devolving "level of political discourse here" then make things worse with yet another inane, bigoted generalization.  If you have no intention (or limited ability) to read and understand somebody else's viewpoint, at least 'somebody else' can find amusement in a little puerile sniping.  What's that Rule of Thumb concerning internet forums...something about the number of posts required before somebody gets called a Nazi?

Congratulations, you're ahead of the curve.

My "serious" participation in this fine thread ended when you refused to respond after I called you out on ridiculous conclusions.

Inane? Bigoted? Puerile? Nazi? I don't know how I offended you unless it was referring to the Repubs base as resembling fringers, hooligans and Birchers (that was just from observing a Palin rally btw). Maybe you identify with one of those groups?

I guess you've selectively ignored the people at Obama rallies wearing "Palin is a C*nt" t-shirts.

If you'd like to see "fringers" just stop by the dailykos for a while.  Here is a little sampling of the hate there:

I support Obama, but I disagree on some major issues. One is that we need to use major authoritarian measures against wingnuts and theocrats to save this country. That in particular includes deprogramming institutions and a Gitmo like camp to deal with the worst wingnuts. These people should be removed from general society and need to be shut up.

I have believed this for years, but the behavior of the wingnuts at the McCain and Palin rallies further underscores the need to take harsh action against these people. Lincoln and FDR had to bend the Constitution at times, and I hope Obama has the guts to do so too to deal with these third rate creatures.

Each party has their nutjobs.  Please stop pretending that the Democrats have a corner on the "fairness" market.

You guys are stretching. I haven't seen those shirts except online, nor have I heard anyone yell out treason, kill him, or traitor at Obama rallies. Have you seen the guy with the Curious George puppet? He's a regular at M/P rallies. Seems like the volunteers could stop such crap. I don't read KOS and I don't listen to Limbaugh. I know stupid fringe people exist on all sides.

However, they don't come into my neighborhood and systematically deface McCain signs with swastikas. To ignore that racism and base vulgarity is involved with this race is just naive. Yes, there is sexism too. I saw a great cartoon on this forum of Hillary going down on Obama. Ha, ha.

There is no defense for either yet there is no denying that the M/P ticket has engendered more of it from their volunteers.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by buckeye

quote:I meant only Republicans in Oklahoma

Funny you'd bemoan the ever-devolving "level of political discourse here" then make things worse with yet another inane, bigoted generalization.  If you have no intention (or limited ability) to read and understand somebody else's viewpoint, at least 'somebody else' can find amusement in a little puerile sniping.  What's that Rule of Thumb concerning internet forums...something about the number of posts required before somebody gets called a Nazi?

Congratulations, you're ahead of the curve.

My "serious" participation in this fine thread ended when you refused to respond after I called you out on ridiculous conclusions.

Inane? Bigoted? Puerile? Nazi? I don't know how I offended you unless it was referring to the Repubs base as resembling fringers, hooligans and Birchers (that was just from observing a Palin rally btw). Maybe you identify with one of those groups?

I guess you've selectively ignored the people at Obama rallies wearing "Palin is a C*nt" t-shirts.

If you'd like to see "fringers" just stop by the dailykos for a while.  Here is a little sampling of the hate there:

I support Obama, but I disagree on some major issues. One is that we need to use major authoritarian measures against wingnuts and theocrats to save this country. That in particular includes deprogramming institutions and a Gitmo like camp to deal with the worst wingnuts. These people should be removed from general society and need to be shut up.

I have believed this for years, but the behavior of the wingnuts at the McCain and Palin rallies further underscores the need to take harsh action against these people. Lincoln and FDR had to bend the Constitution at times, and I hope Obama has the guts to do so too to deal with these third rate creatures.

Each party has their nutjobs.  Please stop pretending that the Democrats have a corner on the "fairness" market.

You guys are stretching. I haven't seen those shirts except online, nor have I heard anyone yell out treason, kill him, or traitor at Obama rallies. Have you seen the guy with the Curious George puppet? He's a regular at M/P rallies. Seems like the volunteers could stop such crap. I don't read KOS and I don't listen to Limbaugh. I know stupid fringe people exist on all sides.

However, they don't come into my neighborhood and systematically deface McCain signs with swastikas. To ignore that racism and base vulgarity is involved with this race is just naive. Yes, there is sexism too. I saw a great cartoon on this forum of Hillary going down on Obama. Ha, ha.

There is no defense for either yet there is no denying that the M/P ticket has engendered more of it from their volunteers.

And it's not even so much that, as it is the nominees lack of action on the Republican side that makes it all the more worse.  You hear it when McCain or Palin is talking at an event, and the only times I've ever heard it being struck down by the speaker was when the lady indicated she thought Obama was an Arab, which McCain, to his defense, repudiated.  He also told the gentleman in Minnesota who said he was 'scared of an Obama presidency', that he didn't have to be scared, to the outcry of boos of HIS OWN SUPPORTERS.

I've seen Obama shut that kind of stuff down.  Even when a reference to McCain drew boos at a recent speech, he shook his head and said 'no' and made a reference about getting out to vote for change.

The inaction of McCain's campaign to repudiate these people should concern any American.  Their campaign is allowing this to happen to fan the flame of divisiveness that exists at the late stage of this election.

McCain has no other course of action now that the economy is front and center on everyone's mind.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
There is no defense for either yet there is no denying that the M/P ticket has engendered more of it from their volunteers.

Nonsense.  Go read the hate on the dailykos.  There aren't any M/P supporters on that site; they are all Obama supporters.  Unless you think that only hate at rallies is important.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
There is no defense for either yet there is no denying that the M/P ticket has engendered more of it from their volunteers.

Nonsense.  Go read the hate on the dailykos.  There aren't any M/P supporters on that site; they are all Obama supporters.  Unless you think that only hate at rallies is important.

I have.

I don't have Red State and DailyKos on my regular reading list. But I bounce over there from time to time to check on the pulse of both sides.

And there's no comparison. The brain power at Red State is lacking compared to DailyKos. In fact, the brain power at conservative sites has turned horrible in the last few years. Sure, each side has its dunderheads. But the conservatives have so many MORE of them. We're talking people who can't even write a coherent sentence. It's sad.

I'm not sure why this happened. For a long time, conservatives and the GOP were supposed to be the party of ideas. Now it seems to be they're a bunch of idealogues with little self-critical thinking or independence (David Frum and Daniel Larison are exceptions). I think it was Frum who said (paraphrased) that the Republicans wanted to be a big-tent party, and now it's a yurt.

I blame the Christianists and the crazies. Others blame power-hungry goofs like Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich. Whatever it is, the GOP is a shell of its former self. And it'd better make some changes -- fast.

That's my opinion. Yours may vary.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
There is no defense for either yet there is no denying that the M/P ticket has engendered more of it from their volunteers.

Nonsense.  Go read the hate on the dailykos.  There aren't any M/P supporters on that site; they are all Obama supporters.  Unless you think that only hate at rallies is important.

I have.

I don't have Red State and DailyKos on my regular reading list. But I bounce over there from time to time to check on the pulse of both sides.

And there's no comparison. The brain power at Red State is lacking compared to DailyKos. In fact, the brain power at conservative sites has turned horrible in the last few years. Sure, each side has its dunderheads. But the conservatives have so many MORE of them. We're talking people who can't even write a coherent sentence. It's sad.

I'm not sure why this happened. For a long time, conservatives and the GOP were supposed to be the party of ideas. Now it seems to be they're a bunch of idealogues with little self-critical thinking or independence (David Frum and Daniel Larison are exceptions). I think it was Frum who said (paraphrased) that the Republicans wanted to be a big-tent party, and now it's a yurt.

I blame the Christianists and the crazies. Others blame power-hungry goofs like Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich. Whatever it is, the GOP is a shell of its former self. And it'd better make some changes -- fast.

That's my opinion. Yours may vary.

When did the topic of conversation change from hateful speech to the intelligence of posters on partisan websites?

BTW, the words "brain power" and dailykos don't mix.  Unless you think the website that fabricated the story about Palin's kid as "brain power."  

Hate sites from either side should be scoffed at.  Why would you legitimize them.  I refuse to read anything from sites like worldnetdaily, redstate, powerline, or any other rabid partisan web site.  Why is it that you can't?

[iplaw]

quote:We're talking people who can't even write a coherent sentence.

Please.  Does the name FOTD, resident dailykos poster, ring any bells?

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Originally posted by rwarn17588

When did the topic of conversation change from hateful speech to the intelligence of posters on partisan websites?

BTW, the words "brain power" and dailykos don't mix.  Unless you think the website that fabricated the story about Palin's kid as "brain power."  

Hate sites from either side should be scoffed at.  Why would you legitimize them.  I refuse to read anything from sites like worldnetdaily, redstate, powerline, or any other rabid partisan web site.  Why is it that you can't?

As I said (which you must have overlooked), I read them to get the pulse of both sides. Reading them is not the same as endorsing.

It's not just DailyKos asking questions about Palin's kid. Andrew Sullivan (you admit reading his book) is, too. But that's because he's an advocate of releasing all health records of presidential and vice presidential candidates. Joe Biden hasn't released his. Sullivan has been consistent and vocal about this; he wants public disclosure of all the candidates.

As for brain power, intelligence makes you use your reason to sort things out rather than blind, unthinking hatred. So, yes, it's important. And relevant.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588
As for brain power, intelligence makes you use your reason to sort things out rather than blind, unthinking hatred. So, yes, it's important. And relevant.

Yes, and it's a cheap, pathetic line of reasoning and hardly "intelligent" to draw the conclusions that you have.  I could cull through the countless hours of intellectual diharrea on the Dailykos and provide you with thousands of incidents of "unthinking hatred" and "blindness" but it would be a monumental waste of time for all involved.

I see little "reasoning" from the left and even less logical discourse.  You're is the party of emotion, not mine.

Such is the life of a partisan, from either side.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588
As for brain power, intelligence makes you use your reason to sort things out rather than blind, unthinking hatred. So, yes, it's important. And relevant.

Yes, and it's a cheap, pathetic line of reasoning and hardly "intelligent" to draw the conclusions that you have.  I could cull through the countless hours of intellectual diharrea on the Dailykos and provide you with thousands of incidents of "unthinking hatred" and "blindness" but it would be a monumental waste of time for all involved.

I see little "reasoning" from the left and even less logical discourse.  You're is the party of emotion, not mine.

Such is the life of a partisan, from either side.

And you're not a partisan? Really? [}:)]

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588
As for brain power, intelligence makes you use your reason to sort things out rather than blind, unthinking hatred. So, yes, it's important. And relevant.

Yes, and it's a cheap, pathetic line of reasoning and hardly "intelligent" to draw the conclusions that you have.  I could cull through the countless hours of intellectual diharrea on the Dailykos and provide you with thousands of incidents of "unthinking hatred" and "blindness" but it would be a monumental waste of time for all involved.

I see little "reasoning" from the left and even less logical discourse.  You're is the party of emotion, not mine.

Such is the life of a partisan, from either side.

And you're not a partisan? Really? [}:)]

Did I say I wasn't?  I think my last sentence in the previous post speaks for itself.  I make no apologies for being conservative.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588
As for brain power, intelligence makes you use your reason to sort things out rather than blind, unthinking hatred. So, yes, it's important. And relevant.

Yes, and it's a cheap, pathetic line of reasoning and hardly "intelligent" to draw the conclusions that you have.  I could cull through the countless hours of intellectual diharrea on the Dailykos and provide you with thousands of incidents of "unthinking hatred" and "blindness" but it would be a monumental waste of time for all involved.

I see little "reasoning" from the left and even less logical discourse.  You're is the party of emotion, not mine.

Such is the life of a partisan, from either side.

But I see you didn't address the aforementioned Sullivan, who is a conservative and whose book you read.

Like I said, I don't go to DailyKos or Red State regularly. But there is intelligent stuff there that can be sifted through. It's just with Red State, you need a bigger sifter.

I'm not the type who throws the baby out with the bathwater. I like to read a lot of points of view. Isn't that part of the "free flow of ideas" that the Founders advocated?