Cherokee Casino looking for Indians to fill 1,000-

[zstyles]

No non-indians allowed though....

The Cherokee Nation is looking for employees at its casinos — but only Indians need apply.

The tribe will host a job fair next month at the Cherokee Casino Resort looking to fill about 1,000 casino jobs.

A tribal enrollment card or certified degree of Indian blood card will be needed to apply.

Mike Miller, spokesman for the Cherokee Nation, said the tribe isn't offering preference based on race but on tribal citizenship.

[Townsend]

What's your point?

Tribes are able to do this per the agreement they've made.

[cannon_fodder]

lol, didn't they kick all other races out of the tribe 6 months ago?  Wait, that wasn't race based either.  Can I get citizenship to the tribe as a German-American?

No?  Really.  So tribal citizenship is race based.  Hiring is citizenship based.  But it isn't race based.

Did you know Native Americans were not U.S. Citizens until the early 1900's?  They were not killed, abused, forcibly removed and disparaged because they were Native American.  It wasn't a race thing.  It was because they were Cherokee citizens. See, not racist at all!

Mike Miller needs to get a pair and say we are a Federal Chartered Indian Nation Tribe with a tribal owned business arm who's mission is to further the interest of tribal members.  Providing jobs is a key way of doing so.  If you think that means we are being racist, so be it.

Don't feed me a BS line about citizenship unless the criteria for citizenship is something other than race.  I wouldn't like the straight forward answer, but I'd respect it a lot more than the line of crap he tried to give us.

/proudly not a member of any club that requires proof or declaration of "blood" to be a member.  I am not a member of any club or group that looks out for one particular race.  And I can honestly say that I have never hired, fired, or otherwise made an informed decision based on the color of someones skin, their religious beliefs (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, or who their parents are (aka "blood").

[Gold]

I buy the distinction between race and tribe because the Constitution creates it.  Congress has the power "[t]o regulate Commerce . . . with the Indian tribes."  The tribes don't have to be equal opportunity employers because that power was deferred to them.

Are there a lot of things that stink to high heaven about Indian gaming?  Without a doubt.  I think the more valid complaints are with the various government entities and the process that took place to allow for gaming.  It doesn't appear to be sustainable long term.

[cannon_fodder]

I don't buy it Gold.  Tribal citizenship is based solely on race.   Cherokee Citizen = Cherokee Blood.  If you are not racially Cherokee, you can not be a tribal member. Ergo, saying it is citizenship based is restricting the hiring to a particular race.

The Constitution (and interpretation thereof) creates plenty of distinctions that don't really exist.  Or legally exist but in the real world they are a fallacy to allow the law operate (black people were never 3/5ths of a person).   Not too mention when drafted a white person could be adopted into many of the tribes AND policy of the Indian tribes included wiping them out in their entirety...  I'd say relying on that document wholesale to set policy on Indian relations is a bit dubious.

I would never advocate this and it would be highly illegal... but if the Internet Workers Union were to only admit German-Americans, and Microsoft announced it would only hire Union members - would it not *really* be making the decision based on race?   To be a citizen of the United States you must not have any Indian blood.  Citizens can vote.  But I'm not denying you the right to vote because you are Indian... it's because you are not a citizen.

The underlying criteria is race based, ergo the entire decision is race based.  Even more clearly than a poll tax or other criteria (tests, etc.) to keep people from voting.  They could say whatever they wanted, *really* the intent was to to stop black people from voting in the South.  Here, the intent is to hire people that are racially Cherokee.

You can disagree about the merits of tribal hiring and tribal rights if you want, but clearly hiring only people from a certain group, when membership to that group is based exclusively on race, is a race based criteria.

[sauerkraut]

With Tulsa's low unemployment rate- they will have a hard time finding 1,000 employees period. The policy for Indian's only will make that task even harder. They will have to increase the wages to draw in Casino employees with Indian blood from other jobs where those people currently work. Tulsa has one of the nations lowest unemployments rates and Tulsa is turning out to be a recession proof city according to news reports I heard on KFAQ 1170 radio.[]

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

according to news reports I heard on KFAQ 1170 radio.

Spit, hack hack hack...dammit dude, made my cruller go down the wrong pipe.

[waterboy]

Very interesting. Co-incidentally, I recently enacted a policy of only transacting business with citizens of the United States. Specifically no dual citizenship persons will be accepted for business.

I won't buy or sell merchandise, eat fry bread, buy Native American art, visit a casino or anything else with a Cherokee or even a Creek for that matter. Goes for employment as well. Too bad, but at this time my interest is only in promoting American business.

Of course if a reciprocal trade agreement has been offered I would consider it.

[zstyles]

Well I am sure that most of these jobs will be paying the bills so they can just go and gamble anything they have left over right back in the casino...if they think they are going to hire indian only IT people they might be hard up come hiring time..perhaps this is PR...perhaps not..who knows but its still BS

[patric]

Hard to tell your kids racism is wrong when the government says that some racism is OK.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Very interesting. Co-incidentally, I recently enacted a policy of only transacting business with citizens of the United States. Specifically no dual citizenship persons will be accepted for business.

I won't buy or sell merchandise, eat fry bread, buy Native American art, visit a casino or anything else with a Cherokee or even a Creek for that matter. Goes for employment as well. Too bad, but at this time my interest is only in promoting American business.

Of course if a reciprocal trade agreement has been offered I would consider it.

Israel and the U.S. have a dual citizenship agreement.  But I don't think that's what you are talking about.

Most immigrants (maybe all) have de facto dual citizenship since their are not required to denounce their former citizenship to obtain U.S. citizenship.

But you are talking about something else.

[Hometown]

My German step in laws all hung out at the Lutheran Church and that German Society (name escapes me) where they all found other Germans to marry.  Kind of creepy given Germany's shameful history.

[Hometown]

I know this isnt' affirmative action where we address past inequities but certainly there have been past inequities with hiring Native Americans.  I'm glad to see these people enjoy an advantage -- finally.

The problem with racial quotas at this point in time in the U.S. is that Poor Whites aren't on any bean counter's list.  Poor Whites are perhaps the only ethnic group in the U.S. without advocates.  They get lumped in with middle and upper class Whites and are described as privileged when they clearly are not.

[Kashmir]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



I won't buy or sell merchandise, eat fry bread, buy Native American art, visit a casino or anything else with a Cherokee or even a Creek for that matter. Goes for employment as well.

No tacos then.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I know this isnt' affirmative action where we address past inequities but certainly there have been past inequities with hiring Native Americans.  I'm glad to see these people enjoy an advantage -- finally.

To "advantage" one group you have to disadvantage another.   By definition favoring one group over another is discriminating against some other group.   My ancestors were not in this country when Native Americans suffered the worst (we were busy being discriminated against in Bavaria).  

What did I do do deserve this discrimination against me (clearly I don't care about this instance, it's the principle of it and some people in my same situation do care)?  My ancestors never owned slaves.  

The answer to the past discrimination is to discriminate again.  I do believe two wrongs make a right and sons are supposed to be held responsible for the sins of their fathers.  Wait, I got that wrong...

At what point are all people, no matter what blood they have or what color their skin is, going to be treated equally?