The Palin-izing of Joe the Plumber

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

when you go out and LIE you should take responsibility for what you say...

(Emphasis added.)

What was your real name and address, Mr. Pseudonymous Soccer Fan? We need to properly "vet" your comments.

Okay, Mr. Bates.  Maybe you can start by giving me the name and address of the TulsaNow forum "Admin" who posted this... []

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2680&SearchTerms=downtown,soccer,stadium

For those who don't know, I was accused on the TulsaNow Discussion/Development forums of being a mole for LaFortune during the back-and-forth  over the East Village soccer stadium TIF...

And although I am flattered by your concern over the context of my opinions...

I didn't hear "USRufnex the soccer guy" referred to TWENTY SIX TIMES over the course of the last presidential debate.  The McCain campaign isn't using my story as a campaign issue stump speech.  I also do not write for a major newspaper like "the Whirled" or weekly shopper like Urban Tulsa... thus I post anonymously on this website (not unlike IPLAW, Guido911, pmcalk, Hoss, Floyd, Cannon Fodder, Conan, Friendly Bear, FOTD, or my good friend OilCapital)... I seem to remember a couple of years back around the date of another election (LaFortune vs. Taylor) your demands to know the real names/occupations of Chicken Little, Swake, etc etc....

I'm sorry you fail to see the stark differences between a small metro political forum (TulsaNow) and the use of "Joe the Plumber" as a political wedge for the McCain campaign.

My website http://tulsaroughnecks.com is not a political site so I do not feel the need to post my name.  However, if the city of Tulsa or the Drillers' organization would like to hear my views on a possible USL-1 team playing downtown or at the fairgrounds... or my longterm opinions on the viability of an MLS team in Tulsa, let me know....

My screen name USRufnex can be found on over five years' worth of posts over at bigsoccer.com.

If you need to "vet," check your messages.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

We just want you Republicans to carry your share of the load and stop shirking your responsibility and pushing it off onto the rest of us.

Where the hell do you get off talking about "shirking [] responsibility and pushing it off on the rest of us" you draft dodger! You are an unbelievable hypocrite. Just shut up and keep gravy training off those who made this country safe and free.


Hometown on accepting responsibility and serving  his country.

"I was a candidate for the draft back during Vietnam and the lottery. The last year of the lottery my number was close but I lucked out. Before the lottery most of the guys that went were working class. Middle and Upper class kids got out by going to college and that qualified for a deferral before the lottery.

Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8081&whichpage=3&SearchTerms=veteran%2Cmilitary

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

USRufnex, you are such a tool for the Democrat party.

You have a childish attitude and post dribble about your "Savior" but cannot see the truth because of your blind hatred of anything conservative.

Good luck in life, you'll need it.

[we vs us]

Guido = coming a little bit unglued there.

Easy there, champ.  Don't take the internets personally. It's not worth your time.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Guido = coming a little bit unglued there.

Easy there, champ.  Don't take the internets personally. It's not worth your time.

I hear you and advice taken.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

How exactly will I make more money if I'm taxed more?  

Say you made $249,999 last year. Say next year you make $260,000. You're making more money, despite paying more tax, because a) the higher rate only applies to the amount over $250,000, and b) the tax rate is not over 100%

Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that you think it's unfair for people to pay about the same amount of tax relative to their wealth.

And just in general, it's ridiculous to think that either side has a monopoly on truth. We just have different ideas about how things should be done. Sadly, since people have this wackjob belief that their way has to be the only true and right way to do things in the world, we've devolved (politically) into a nation of blathering idiots, as this thread amply demonstrates. (and I'm an idiot for wading in)

Just FWIW, my employer has been saying for years he should be taxed more. Of course, he controls a relatively large amount of wealth. (not Kaiser-like, but more than me or 80-90% of Americans will ever see in their lifetime) He must not understand the 'truth' of the situation. I guess he's been sucked in by liberal lies.

[Chicken Little]

Poor Joe the Plumber [/sarcasm].  You guys really don't get it, do you?  Joe isn't getting picked on because he's against Obama.  This is newsworthy because hypocrisy is always a good story.  

If Joe were a normal Joe...even a Republican one, then this would have been your normal media kabuki dance and people would have moved on by now.  

But Joe is a sanctimonious turd who cheats us all but still has the nerve to ask for more.  Oh, the intrinsic bullsh*t...a tax chiseler whose is no doubt very sincerely indignant about higher taxes!
 
And because McCain's team didn't take a closer look at Joe (throwing a log on the fire of ANOTHER meme), now thousands of Americans are suddenly aware of how this $250,000 threshold  applies to them (screw Joe, he's a turd).

If McCain were running for most ironic, then this was certainly a "game-changer".

[Wrinkle]

Obama stated his plan would only raise taxes on "those businesses who could afford it".

Is it really necessary to once again point out where businesses get the money to pay their taxes?

Surely you know what happens when his windfall profit tax would be applied to oil companies....that's right, gas at $4.00/gal again.

Who pays your gas bill?

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by TulsaFan-inTexas

USRufnex, you are such a tool for the Democrat party.

You have a childish attitude and post dribble about your "Savior" but cannot see the truth because of your blind hatred of anything conservative.

Good luck in life, you'll need it.

Stand up for something or you'll fall for anything.

Obama is not my "Savior."  

I do not have hatred for true conservativism.  I do have a hatred for blind conservativism, though.

I've already had good luck in life.
Thanks for caring.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by TulsaFan-inTexas

USRufnex, you are such a tool for the Democrat party.

You have a childish attitude and post dribble about your "Savior" but cannot see the truth because of your blind hatred of anything conservative.

Good luck in life, you'll need it.

I do not have hatred for true conservativism.  

So would you call it a strong dislike then? [}:)]

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle


Surely you know what happens when his windfall profit tax would be applied to oil companies....that's right, gas at $4.00/gal again.

If so, we need to whip out the antitrust laws on their asses again. A tax on profit cannot, by definition, reduce their profit to below zero, so if prices do go up because of a "windfall profits tax", it's due to a lack of competition in the market, not the tax.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle


Surely you know what happens when his windfall profit tax would be applied to oil companies....that's right, gas at $4.00/gal again.

If so, we need to whip out the antitrust laws on their asses again. A tax on profit cannot, by definition, reduce their profit to below zero, so if prices do go up because of a "windfall profits tax", it's due to a lack of competition in the market, not the tax.

Can I get someone to translate what Nathan just wrote for me?

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by guido911


Can I get someone to translate what Nathan just wrote for me?

Which part was unclear?

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle


Surely you know what happens when his windfall profit tax would be applied to oil companies....that's right, gas at $4.00/gal again.

If so, we need to whip out the antitrust laws on their asses again. A tax on profit cannot, by definition, reduce their profit to below zero, so if prices do go up because of a "windfall profits tax", it's due to a lack of competition in the market, not the tax.

Can I get someone to translate what Nathan just wrote for me?

I'll help you out.  Wrinkle thinks that a tax will put gas back at $4/gal, which is a pretty silly argument.  It got there once without a tax, and it will again.  If you haven't figured it out yet, oil companies will charge you as much as they can with no compunction whatsoever.  It's not their job to worry about how your family will survive paying $4/gal or $40.  

When nathanm talks about monopolies, is he wrong?  Start riding a skateboard to work...that'll school 'em.  They got us exactly where they want us, brother.

I don't expect big oil to have a social conscience (or brain for that matter), and therefore I don't expect them to "hurry things along" towards alternative fuels.  They'll milk the present situation for every nickel first.  I'm not judging them, I'm judging anybody who is foolish enough to expect something else.

If we want to see investment in alternatives, then we're going to have to be the ones to invest in it.  If we have to skim their record-breaking profits in order to do that, then so be it.  Makes sense, doesn't it?