Tulsa World Says We're Out of Step

[we vs us]

A good case could be made that Oklahoma is the new capital of the new GOP.  A smaller party, more radical, less representative of America as a whole.   Oklahoma hit a lot of benchmarks last Tuesday qualifying it as the most faithfully conservative state in the union, and if the Republican party decides it wants to be more purely orthodox (rather than compromising) in the coming years, I can't see why Oklahoma -- a state which seems to agree by a large margin with almost everything that Bush-era conservatism represented -- wouldn't be the ideal seat of the GOP-in-exile.  Granted, an Oklahoma-centered Republican party wouldn't be about new ideas for a new millenium.  Instead, it would be about old ideas for the new millenium, and how conservatism is a timeless and unchanging star in the firmament, and how human civilization itself pivots around it.

[waterboy]

That's funny! inhofe is Slightly harsh!! Good conservative!! Ghettos! Lefty Governor!! Keep them coming Okies, its a dreary, cold, rainy Monday and I need something to make me laugh. Oh, wait a minute...Liberal Tulsa World!! How's that? Wait, wait....Midtown Moneybelt Liberals!!! Passenger trains are unfeasible!!
(despite the fact that other communities are making them work

Seriously, the denial Okies are infected with is humorous. If it wasn't for our oil, gas and casinos, our state, including Tulsa, would already be bankrupt. Soon enough, soon enough. Hell, we can't even sell our most plentiful asset, clean water, without being sued to do so.

Like the guy from Arizona said, its getting harder and harder to defend our state to all those crazy heathen liberals that surround us.

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Obama won the college-educated vote.

Not in Oklahoma.

[RecycleMichael]

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Aristotle

"But, not in Oklahoma"

RecycleMichael

[Hometown]

This was a sobering election.  I am concerned what a Republican majority in the Legislature will do.  Things were bad enough as it was.

No one is more loyal to the GOP that Oklahoma but look at what we get for it.  Nothing.  I was in Dallas a couple of weeks ago and there's no doubt the GOP Gravy Train makes frequent regular stops in Texas, but look what we get.  Nothing.

Went back to look at Oklahoma History from the '30s and it was much like today.  We work against our own self-interest.  The state that gave us the Okie migration was also the state that spent much of the Depression working against WPA funding.  Between the weather and the Depression, we did what we could to make things worse for ourselves.  We helped create the Okie migration.

So we are in for more hell fire and hatefulness and low income -- we are used to that.  But there is something worse going on that we are largely unaware of.

People don't fully realize the number of workers that are being deported because they chose to work in Oklahoma.  Because of HB1804 we are deporting innocent gardeners, cleaning ladies, construction workers, restaurant workers, car repairmen, and agricultural workers every week.  Friends tell me it's a matter of luck of the draw and which policeman stops you.  Some enforce, some don't.

Families are being separated by the State of Oklahoma.  People guilty of simple traffic infractions or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time are being deported.

There's a woman in my office that calls Oklahoma "God's Country."  I listen and think to myself -- not my God.  

No one needed a change of direction more than Oklahoma.  But we aren't going to get it.  We are going to get what we deserve though.  Indeed, we already have.

[Gaspar]

No need to worry about anything anymore.  Republicans are a thing of the past.  Perhaps, the "individual" will be a thing of the past under our new administration too?  I will reserve judgement on that.

I estimate that by this time next year they will confiscate control of all private 401K money.  They are already making plans.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/dems-target-private-retirement-accounts.html

They will have to pay for the next 5 or 6 rounds of bailout plans somehow, why not borrow against your retirement?

Hide your acorns.

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Obama won the college-educated vote.

Not in Oklahoma.

It could also be said McCain also won the college drop-out vote.

so 73% (634) of people polled 'attended college' but only 36% (228) actually graduated...nice

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Obama won the college-educated vote.

Not in Oklahoma.

It could also be said McCain also won the college drop-out vote.

so 73% (634) of people polled 'attended college' but only 36% (228) actually graduated...nice

Actually it's 634 and 312. National droput rate is 46% so we're a bit above average, but not obscenely high.

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Obama won the college-educated vote.

Not in Oklahoma.

It could also be said McCain also won the college drop-out vote.

so 73% (634) of people polled 'attended college' but only 36% (228) actually graduated...nice

Actually it's 634 and 312. National droput rate is 46% so we're a bit above average, but not obscenely high.

how can you graduate college without 'attending college' first?

I took 36% of the 73% that answered the first question...

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Obama won the college-educated vote.

Not in Oklahoma.

We have college educated people now?  I guess that's one more group for Okies to HATE! Anyone for a 1804 1/2?  That there college boy took mah job!!![}:)]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588


Obama won the college-educated vote.

Not in Oklahoma.

It could also be said McCain also won the college drop-out vote.

so 73% (634) of people polled 'attended college' but only 36% (228) actually graduated...nice

Actually it's 634 and 312. National droput rate is 46% so we're a bit above average, but not obscenely high.

how can you graduate college without 'attending college' first?

I took 36% of the 73% that answered the first question...

It's 36% of the respondents

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

This was a sobering election.  I am concerned what a Republican majority in the Legislature will do.  Things were bad enough as it was.

No one is more loyal to the GOP that Oklahoma but look at what we get for it.  Nothing.  I was in Dallas a couple of weeks ago and there's no doubt the GOP Gravy Train makes frequent regular stops in Texas, but look what we get.  Nothing.

Went back to look at Oklahoma History from the '30s and it was much like today.  We work against our own self-interest.  The state that gave us the Okie migration was also the state that spent much of the Depression working against WPA funding.  Between the weather and the Depression, we did what we could to make things worse for ourselves.  We helped create the Okie migration.

So we are in for more hell fire and hatefulness and low income -- we are used to that.  But there is something worse going on that we are largely unaware of.

People don't fully realize the number of workers that are being deported because they chose to work in Oklahoma.  Because of HB1804 we are deporting innocent gardeners, cleaning ladies, construction workers, restaurant workers, car repairmen, and agricultural workers every week.  Friends tell me it's a matter of luck of the draw and which policeman stops you.  Some enforce, some don't.

Families are being separated by the State of Oklahoma.  People guilty of simple traffic infractions or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time are being deported.

There's a woman in my office that calls Oklahoma "God's Country."  I listen and think to myself -- not my God.  

No one needed a change of direction more than Oklahoma.  But we aren't going to get it.  We are going to get what we deserve though.  Indeed, we already have.

Yah.  I hear where you're coming from.  We really suck.

1.  Lowest gas prices in the country.
2.  Low cost of living.
3.  Our housing market basically unaffected.
4.  Low unemployment.
5.  A still decent economy.

Too bad we aren't doing as great as everyone else.

[HazMatCFO]

I voted for McCain because my beliefs are closer to his than of Barack Obama's. So that makes me out of step with those who voted for Obama, big deal.

I vote on who I think represents my views the best, not who makes me more popular with the majority of voters.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur


1.  Lowest gas prices in the country.
2.  Low cost of living.
3.  Our housing market basically unaffected.
4.  Low unemployment.
5.  A still decent economy.

1. Some of the lowest gas taxes in the country (and some of the lowest gas prices, but not the lowest, by any means)
3. Just because we lag doesn't mean we have nothing to worry about. You really think home prices are going to stay up with all the foreclosures and now the lower price of oil?
4. High wage jobs out, low wage call center jobs in.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

This was a sobering election.  I am concerned what a Republican majority in the Legislature will do.  Things were bad enough as it was.

No one is more loyal to the GOP that Oklahoma but look at what we get for it.  Nothing.  I was in Dallas a couple of weeks ago and there's no doubt the GOP Gravy Train makes frequent regular stops in Texas, but look what we get.  Nothing.

Went back to look at Oklahoma History from the '30s and it was much like today.  We work against our own self-interest.  The state that gave us the Okie migration was also the state that spent much of the Depression working against WPA funding.  Between the weather and the Depression, we did what we could to make things worse for ourselves.  We helped create the Okie migration.

So we are in for more hell fire and hatefulness and low income -- we are used to that.  But there is something worse going on that we are largely unaware of.

People don't fully realize the number of workers that are being deported because they chose to work in Oklahoma.  Because of HB1804 we are deporting innocent gardeners, cleaning ladies, construction workers, restaurant workers, car repairmen, and agricultural workers every week.  Friends tell me it's a matter of luck of the draw and which policeman stops you.  Some enforce, some don't.

Families are being separated by the State of Oklahoma.  People guilty of simple traffic infractions or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time are being deported.

There's a woman in my office that calls Oklahoma "God's Country."  I listen and think to myself -- not my God.  

No one needed a change of direction more than Oklahoma.  But we aren't going to get it.  We are going to get what we deserve though.  Indeed, we already have.

Yah.  I hear where you're coming from.  We really suck.

1.  Lowest gas prices in the country.
2.  Low cost of living.
3.  Our housing market basically unaffected.
4.  Low unemployment.
5.  A still decent economy.

Too bad we aren't doing as great as everyone else.

Dont forget how we can be proud of our high crime rates, high poverty rates, high rates of homelessness and hunger, high drug abuse rates, high rates of suicide, high rates of divorce, high rates of child abuse and neglect, high rates of teen pregnancies, high rates of obesity and diabetes, high rates of tobacco use, crumbling infrastructure, lower life expectancies,etc. etc. ... We rank right up there with third world countries. But like them, it costs very little to live here and to buy some things.

We will see how it all shakes out. Some areas were living too high on the hog, above their means, spending too much. But its also possible to spend/invest too little. I think a lot of what good fortune we have had has come from oil. Money, past and present, that in large part has come from fortunate happenstance, not of our cleverness, wisdom, moral compass or work ethic. As oil becomes less of a player, we will better see how our choices stack up to those in the rest of the country. Dollars and cents can be one means, but its the mental and physical quality of life which must be the ends we are judged by.