SENATOR MIKE MAZZEI-OKLAHOMA UNABLE TO PROVIDE COM

[TeeDub]

If someone commits a sex crime should they ever again see the light of day?

And if so, why making them register as a sex offender and why limiting their choices in the community is an unfair punishment.

I have been swayed since my last post and believe that we should give all sex offenders teddy bears and rainbows in order to apologize for their confinement in the system.   We should also pay them disability since what they have is obviously a "disease" and can therefore be "treated."

No not really...   I think we should nail their testicles to a stump and set the woods around them on fire.

[DolfanBob]

You know the old myth or theory about sex offenders,rapist and child molesters being beaten or abused by other inmates. Well it's false.
I know first hand they are protected by DOC. They are sent to minimum security yards were they live untouched. Im talking yards with no fences. Other inmates are just one step away of getting out so they definitely are not going to jeopardise that on a fight with one of them.
Other than the punishment of loosing their freedom for say a Year and a half or less, because of all the early release programs that they can get involved with on the inside to "help" them. What would you call this type of punishment ?

[MSLGWCEO]

The unfortunate problem is, we all expect lawmakers to act responsibly and with relevant evidence, which will never happen since their agenda is not what they state openly to the public.  The real evidence behind their voting methods for laws enacted is, my job first followed by if you scratch my back I'll scratch yours; the political way.

Just like preachers, doctors, judges and police, we expect public servants to do what is right and just.  But in the line of lawmakers, state and federal, I am seeing far more policy based on the premise mentioned above.  It hurts when we who are personally affected are at the mercy of it see action taken that doesn't follow logic, but public opinion.

You know, this "compelling evidence" could be a compilation of news reports or other sources with information from sound bytes or quotes by people who are not experts.

Now, they are sweeping children as young as 10 years old up into the registries.

[TeeDub]

Now you are just spouting bull****.

Show me one 10 year old in the sex offender registry.   (And it should be easy, most are online.)

[cannon_fodder]

Thank you all for the summaries.  I'm not much of an expert on the subject so shall generally abstain.  I think people need to be punished - but also deserve a second chance. HOWEVER, if it really is a mental illness then we need proof that it can be "cured" before we can let such people harm again.  I'm inclined to think some is a mental illness, some is lack of self control, and some is a carnal violent outburst like any other.  

I am not qualified to differentiate between them and don't know how to handle any but the latter two... which is harshly.

[MSLGWCEO]

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub


Now you are just spouting bull****.

Show me one 10 year old in the sex offender registry.   (And it should be easy, most are online.)

Here are 10 charged.
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/search/label/10YearsOld

Scroll down and you can see 11 yr olds, etc. There are quite a few who are now in their late teens and early 20 who were convicted as 10 year olds. I'll try and find and post.

[TeeDub]

None of those were added to the sex offender registry.



Although this rings as sad a statement about our society as the kids getting suspended for drawing pictures of guns, or pointing at each other and saying "bang".

[MSLGWCEO]

Here is an article.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E1DA1531F935A25755C0A9679C8B63

There is an article  in a Wisconsin paper that gives a sidebar with information on the registry statistics. They listed the youngest person on the registry as 8. That was this year.
In Colorado, during the "roundup" of absconders, one of the 18 or 19 year old kids was 6 when convicted. How old he was when charged, I have no idea.
Several in the absconders list were well under 18 when convicted.
I don't have any hard facts concerning Tennessee, but know that there are at least 14 year olds on the list, because they stated that they didn't want to make those public.
Nevertheless, they are on the registries. whether they are as yet made public, I'm not sure. They may wait until they reach a certain age before they do.

[MSLGWCEO]

IL. registers SOs who are underage, but doesn't make them public until they reach age 17.

[MSLGWCEO]

quote:Originally posted by MSLGWCEO

IL. registers SOs who are underage, but doesn't make them public until they reach age 17.

Another good article entitled: "Is That 4-Year-Old Really a Sex Offender?"

http://cfcoklahoma.com/forum/index.php?topic=264.0

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by MSLGWCEO

quote:Originally posted by MSLGWCEO

IL. registers SOs who are underage, but doesn't make them public until they reach age 17.

Another good article entitled: "Is That 4-Year-Old Really a Sex Offender?"

http://cfcoklahoma.com/forum/index.php?topic=264.0

Nice articles and all but you have yet to show me a 10 year old sex offender.

From your article:
Many states have age limits for their notification laws, typically 14 or 15, or apply them only to those convicted in adult court.

A few states identify juveniles on Web sites; the Kansas site, for example, pictures a few who registered as sex offenders at 12 or 13, and one boy who at 11 participated in the gang rape of two 6-year-old girls.

[MSLGWCEO]

"There is an article in a Wisconsin paper that gives a sidebar with information on the registry statistics. They listed the youngest person on the registry as 8. That was this year."

Actually, There are those who are younger than 10 but not posted on the public registry until they reach a certain age. I've corresponded with a few who were 10 and now in their early 20's who do not wish to have me publicize their status.

Nevertheless, we're getting 'off topic.' This is about law makers in Oklahoma who have written laws that have no research behind them. Knee kerk legislation.  The politics of fear.

[MSLGWCEO]

quote:Originally posted by MSLGWCEO

SENATOR MIKE MAZZEI-OKLAHOMA UNABLE TO PROVIDE COMPELLING EVIDENCE

SENATOR MIKE MAZZEI-OKLAHOMA UNABLE TO PROVIDE COMPELLING EVIDENCE

This is an indictment against the vast majority of law makers in Oklahoma. They have passed laws that endanger children rather than protect. Laws based on myths, lies and emotional hysteria, promoted by the entertainment news media and politicians who for ratings and votes have refused to bring in the experts when making laws dealing with the sex offender issues. Laws that do more harm than good.

http://cfcoklahoma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=223%3Asenator-mike-mazzei-oklahoma-unable-to-provide-compelling-evidence&Itemid=1

Getting back "On Topic"