Al-Zawahri: Obama a "house negro"

[Chicken Little]

From AP:

quote:In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect — along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice — "house Negroes."

Charming.  Keep an eye on the sky, d0uchebag.

[we vs us]

Hm.  Aside from Al-Zawahri's being pure unadulterated evil, I've been idly wondering how Americans will respond to international figures/villains making racial jokes about their president.  Will it make us madder and more resolute, or will we just brush it off?

[Gaspar]

I thought we were surrendering?

[Hometown]

The Enemy is not Iraqis or Taliban (Taliban provided host country but were not perpetrators.  "Taliban" means "Student").

Enemy is organization we created to fight Soviet Union in Afghanistan, al-Qaida.

We might want to keep in mind that Afghanistan was the Soviet Union's "Vietnam."

Maybe this should be resolved with a highly focused covert action instead of military.

Don't want to see the War on Terror used to maintain a bloated U.S. military.  Don't want the U.S. to experience another Vietnam.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown



Enemy is organization we created to fight Soviet Union in Afghanistan, al-Qaida.

That is so wildly incorrect.

[Hometown]

Do us a favor and correct me.

I thought they grew out of the group Reagan called the "Freedom Fighters."  I believe I got that from a 60 Minutes Segment quite a while ago.

Here's something else that just popped up with a Google search.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Do us a favor and correct me.

I thought they grew out of the group Reagan called the "Freedom Fighters."  I believe I got that from a 60 Minutes Segment quite a while ago.

Here's something else that just popped up with a Google search.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.

AQ were mainly Arab fighters freelancing, right. Mujahadeen were mainly Afghani fighters, right.  I was not there personally buuuuuuut I have read 'books' about all that aaaannnd the US financed AQ?  No.

Good thing O'Bama wants to send more Arabic translators to that theatre, huh?

[cannon_fodder]

The US supported fights in Afghanistan via Pakistan.  We supported local factions that fought the soviets and the local marxists.

Saudi Arabia supported the hard core foreign jihadists, largely through Bin Laden.  Really only 1500 to 3000 fighters at any one time... but they gained influence with other local factions.  That group included elements that became Al Quida.  

Our supporters probably fought allied with them.  When the Soviets were driven out and the civil war erupted, we walked away.  The factions we supported were destroyed by, assimilated with, and others became part of those other the Taliban.  Which of course didn't mind Al Quida one bit.

But it is not a situation in which we supported a regime and later came in to destroy it (Iraq).  The evidence that the US had a major role in creating or funding Al Quida or the Jihad fighters is slim.  We surely did not oppose them mind you.

I can not comment on any super secret CIA training for them.  Realistically, it could have happened.  Your enemies enemy is your friend after all.

And yes, we probably would have called them allies or freedom fighters when they were fighting the Soviets.  Was that inaccurate at the time?    Would it be accurate now?  All a matter or perspective I suppose.

BUT, Obama's stock clicked up a point today in my book.  []

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

From AP:

quote:In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect — along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice — "house Negroes."

Charming.  Keep an eye on the sky, d0uchebag.

i think it is funny that he is using a term that pretty much originated from the US and really has no effect unless used by another black person to defame another black person.  It's origins are from the black community to bemoan a percieved complacency of other black people "in the white man's world".

To hear this joker saying it is just laughable.

[Hometown]

On the Plantations there was a pecking order among the slaves.  There were slaves that worked outside and slaves that worked in the Big House.  The slaves that worked in the Big House were at the top of of the pecking order among slaves.  That is where the reference comes from.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

On the Plantations there was a pecking order among the slaves.  There were slaves that worked outside and slaves that worked in the Big House.  The slaves that worked in the Big House were at the top of of the pecking order among slaves.  That is where the reference comes from.

right, that is the historical origin.  I was speaking more of the modern connotations since we don't have slavery here anymore.

[Hometown]

Given that the U.S. played a role in the creation of Bin Laden's gang, doesn't it feel like the novel 1984.  You know, where Big Brother was both "Big Brother" and the "Opposition to Big Brother."  It's like we are the only game in town.

Wish I would wake up tomorrow to the following headline:  Last known Al-Qaeda member brought to Justice

If we are dead set on wiping out the Taliban we need to admit that we are involved in "nation building" in Afghanistan and we need to be clear with U.S. citizens about that.  We deserve informed consent.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Hm.  Aside from Al-Zawahri's being pure unadulterated evil, I've been idly wondering how Americans will respond to international figures/villains making racial jokes about their president.  Will it make us madder and more resolute, or will we just brush it off?

No one else has gone as far down the path of racial equality as we have.  

Take a step south of the Border and you are back in colonial times.  Look at Europe and their constant petty ethnic squabbling.  In some odd ways India is the best mirror country for the U.S. because of her ethnic diversity.  In history Moorish rule in Spain was a highpoint in tolerance of ethnic diversity.  But really no one else has cut with tradition like we have and no one else is in a position to comment with any authority.  The rest of the world is a either a little or a lot backwards in this regard.

[Gaspar]

Does this mean we're not going to surrender now?

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Does this mean we're not going to surrender now?

Are you kiddin'?  We've opened up a whole new front.  From National Security Network:

quote:Experts agree that the release of a new tape by Al Qaeda's second in command Ayman al-Zawahri indicates that Al Qaeda feels threatened and is on its heels after Obama's resounding victory. President-elect Obama's diverse background, along with his pledge to reverse many of the policies and approaches of the Bush administration on issues such as detentions at Guantanamo, torture and the war in Iraq has served to dramatically improve America's image, especially in the Muslim world.

and

quote:Having thrived on the decline in America's world image, the impact of Obama's victory provides a direct challenge to Al Qaeda's negative depiction of the United States. Additionally, Obama's emphasis on shifting US attention from Iraq to Afghanistan represents a direct physical threat to Al Qaeda's leadership. America's improved global image and the new administration's focus on Afghanistan threatens Al Qaeda and has led to what experts see as a confused, racist, and off-kilter response reflective of an organization on the defensive.