Obama birth certificate again

[jamesrage]

I think the people running around accusing Obama of not being an natural born citizen or whining because he won't submit to whackjobs by not showing his birth certificate to a federal judge are so loser whackjobs morons. They are no different the sore loser whackjob morons who ran around accusing Bush of stealing the elections or the morons who run around saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq even though everyone and their mom said Saddam had WMDs(and this was before Bush was even in office) Saddam had a history of using WMDs and the fact Saddam led everyone to believe he had WMDs.

Republicans should be better than this,republicans shouldn't be engaging in the same nonsense that democrats engaged in.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

I think the people running around accusing Obama of not being an natural born citizen or whining because he won't submit to whackjobs by not showing his birth certificate to a federal judge are so loser whackjobs morons. They are no different the sore loser whackjob morons who ran around accusing Bush of stealing the elections or the morons who run around saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq even though everyone and their mom said Saddam had WMDs(and this was before Bush was even in office) Saddam had a history of using WMDs and the fact Saddam led everyone to believe he had WMDs.

Republicans should be better than this,republicans shouldn't be engaging in the same nonsense that democrats engaged in.

YOU are the idiot, the fool, and the moron.  FORTUNATELY we can survive fools, idiots, and morons like you, but not TRAITORS.  You know, TRAITORS.  Like people who would discount the importance of, you know, the CONSTITUTION.

Do you read the crap you have as you 'signature,' or is it there just to impress others with your eruditeness and breadth of knowledge?

Look, the O has an obligation to fulfill the requirements of the Constitution to some legal authority once and for all.  Why he supposedly has not is a matter of conjecture, but in the meantime he has an obligation to prove he is a natural born citizen.  I am amazed at how low the bar has been lowered.

I am not a Republicrat; are you, fool?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

I think the people running around accusing Obama of not being an natural born citizen or whining because he won't submit to whackjobs by not showing his birth certificate to a federal judge are so loser whackjobs morons. They are no different the sore loser whackjob morons who ran around accusing Bush of stealing the elections or the morons who run around saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq even though everyone and their mom said Saddam had WMDs(and this was before Bush was even in office) Saddam had a history of using WMDs and the fact Saddam led everyone to believe he had WMDs.

Republicans should be better than this,republicans shouldn't be engaging in the same nonsense that democrats engaged in.

YOU are the idiot, the fool, and the moron.  FORTUNATELY we can survive fools, idiots, and morons like you, but not TRAITORS.  You know, TRAITORS.  Like people who would discount the importance of, you know, the CONSTITUTION.

Do you read the crap you have as you 'signature,' or is it there just to impress others with your eruditeness and breadth of knowledge?

Look, the O has an obligation to fulfill the requirements of the Constitution to some legal authority once and for all.  Why he supposedly has not is a matter of conjecture, but in the meantime he has an obligation to prove he is a natural born citizen.  I am amazed at how low the bar has been lowered.

I am not a Republicrat; are you, fool?

Ad hominem much?

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[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

I think the people running around accusing Obama of not being an natural born citizen or whining because he won't submit to whackjobs by not showing his birth certificate to a federal judge are so loser whackjobs morons. They are no different the sore loser whackjob morons who ran around accusing Bush of stealing the elections or the morons who run around saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq even though everyone and their mom said Saddam had WMDs(and this was before Bush was even in office) Saddam had a history of using WMDs and the fact Saddam led everyone to believe he had WMDs.

Republicans should be better than this,republicans shouldn't be engaging in the same nonsense that democrats engaged in.

YOU are the idiot, the fool, and the moron.  FORTUNATELY we can survive fools, idiots, and morons like you, but not TRAITORS.  You know, TRAITORS.  Like people who would discount the importance of, you know, the CONSTITUTION.

Do you read the crap you have as you 'signature,' or is it there just to impress others with your eruditeness and breadth of knowledge?

Look, the O has an obligation to fulfill the requirements of the Constitution to some legal authority once and for all.  Why he supposedly has not is a matter of conjecture, but in the meantime he has an obligation to prove he is a natural born citizen.  I am amazed at how low the bar has been lowered.

I am not a Republicrat; are you, fool?

Ad hominem much?

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Spew sentence fragments often?

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

YOU are the idiot, the fool, and the moron.  FORTUNATELY we can survive fools, idiots, and morons like you, but not TRAITORS.  You know, TRAITORS.  Like people who would discount the importance of, you know, the CONSTITUTION.

It should be a requirement that everyone running for president present their birth certificate before running in the primaries. Our elected officials should not be held to the whims of sore loser nut jobs who make bogus accusations because they read some bull **** somewhere that he wasn't a natural born American citizen. Obama put his birth certificate on the internet for everyone and their mom to see and a Hawaii official said they have a copy of Obama's birth certificate.


Besides the die hard nut jobs claiming Obama is not a natural born citizen are also claiming that even if he was born in Hawaii it doesn't matter because his natural born citizenship was forfeited. Do you think you are the only one who listens to the Pat Campbell show? I would have expected someone like Pat not to jump on the conspiracy moron band wagon,but I guess I was wrong

quote:Do you read the crap you have as you 'signature,' or is it there just to impress others with your eruditeness and breadth of knowledge?

Why is it you die hard Obama bashers hang on to this belief that if Obama is not a citizen that somehow McCain will be the winner and that somehow he is better. McCain tried to sell this country out to illegal immigration. McCain like Bush is a globalist. So this nonsense that republicans are somehow better than democrats is a load of b.s. There is no such thing as a patriot who is a globalist and would sell this country out to illegal immigration.

quote:Look, the O has an obligation to fulfill the requirements of the Constitution to some legal authority once and for all.

Did McCain,Clinton,Romney, and any other past presidential candidate present their birth certificate on the whims of nut jobs? That hypocrite Allen Keys who is one of the nut jobs running around accusing Obama of not being a natural born citizen, did he present his birth certificate?

quote:Why he supposedly has not is a matter of conjecture, but in the meantime he has an obligation to prove he is a natural born citizen.

You cave into one nut job making bogus demands then you set the precedent for other nut jobs to come out and make bogus accusations. Ask yourself this,if there was any legitimacy of the claims of Obama not being a natural born citizen,wouldn't the republicans and 3rd party candidates and other democrat primary candidates exploited the hell out of this? When some homosexual was running around on you tube claiming he has sex with Obama and snorted coke with him the republicans paid him to take a lie detector test with the promise of more money. So the republicans would have exploited the Obama is not a natural born American citizen conspiracy if there was any legitimacy to it.

Obama put his birth certificate on the net for everyone to see, has any other presidential candidate done that?

quote:I am amazed at how low the bar has been lowered.

I am amazed how low republicans have sunk. This petty nonsense of making up bull **** in something in order to try to discredit someone's presidency is something the democrats would do. When Bush was president it was wrong of the die hard Bush basher wackos to run around and make up lies of Bush stealing the election or Bush going AWOL or bush lying to get us into Iraq. Republicans and conservatives should be above this kind of nonsense. It wasn't right when the democrats did it and it is not right with the republicans do it.

quote: I am not a Republicrat; are you, fool?

I didn't vote for McCain or Obama. I voted for everything else on the ballot except for the president. If I could have voted for a 3rd party candidate I would have. Because I think both of them will screw us and I refuse to encourage the republicans to prop up any more sell out liberal globalist republicans.

[cannon_fodder]

Timmay,

If you were the grand dragon of the Obama inquisition, what would you hope to accomplish?

He shows a birth ceritifcate, and it says he was born in Timbuktu to a American Mother and a Kenyan father.  At that point, one could argue he was a natural born citizen.  Everyone has to be a citizen of some country by virtue of international law, if born to an American mother who is over seas you are considered an American citizen and only need to certify it with State.

Born to an American mother (who cares where). He was then taken to Hawaii and raised by his American Grandmother.  He then went to undergraduate school in America.  Law school in America.  Married an American.  Worked in America.  Ran for President in America.  And was elected president in America.

Sounds Kenyan to me.  That bastard!

And, if you want to get technical:  Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and the first 10 or so Presidents were not technically Natural Born Citizens of the United States.  Shall we retroactively remove their title and burn our $1 bills?

ANY, moreover, you are on a totally pointless and fool hearty question.  All the information has been released.  You have wasted 15 minutes of my life with this crap and I resent it.

Calling people a traitor for arguing with facts and logic?  Then calling them and all Republican fools?  Why are you so bitter?

Anyway... here, I hope you enjoy a copy of all the vital records of Barrack Obama:


No tickets!


Really married...

http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf
Clearn attorney record.



Prima facia evidence that he was born to an American mother in America and hence, a Natural Born citizen.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE?

Apparently the 911 conspiracy has been debunked enough that you've moved on.  Haliburton isn't in the news enough anymore for that to be a fun tinfoil hat to wear.  So you've moved on to this.

Now run along, find the next popular myth to support.

[cannon_fodder]

Let me head off your "BUT THATS NOT THE HOSPITAL ISSUED CERTIFICATE" crap.  True.  But guess what?  The official state copy serves as the official record, not the foot imprints on a pretty framed paper on your parents wall.

You would have to be prepared to argue that they snuck a child into the country without a passport of visa, then faked a birth, forged a birth certificate, and fraudulently had a friend register it.   THEN, make sure everyone continued that lie for 50 years.

Which would also be an argument that Barrack himself has no notion of those events.  Putting a very interesting twist on your argument since as far as he knows, and the entire record of course, he is a natural born US citizen.

[tim huntzinger]

Not sure which '911' conspiracy you believe I adhere to.  And I do think that 'no bid' contracts are wrong.  Clearly Bush misused and misunderstood the information he was given, when it was not necessary.

O has an obligation to prove he is a natural born citizen. If a geezer goes into buy a pack of smokes or some beer, he/she has an obligation to produce a proof of age.  If an officer stops me in my car and asks for them, I have an obligation to prove my registration and insurance.  If I produce a child for attendance at school, I have to produce documentation.  And so forth.

[tim huntzinger]

My buddy the 'Rebellious Republican' sez you should stop being such a card-carrying member of the Communist Party - aka 'Democrat.'  Not saying that is my position, just wanted to pass on what HE said.

[we vs us]

Point being, those ARE the documents.  Obama HAS proven it.

This doesn't even rise to the level of 9-11 Truth Squadism.   At least there's a little ambiguity there.  Here, there ISN'T any ambiguity.  There're only people with political agendas trying to make it SEEM ambiguous.  

[cannon_fodder]

Argh... by supporting common I clearly must be a Democrat.  My positions are well known.



I'll post it again for you.



Now where is your proof that he is not?

Why do I bother?  You didn't even read my post or look at the documents I provided.  And you call other peoples fools?

[tim huntzinger]

Oh, ok.  You all are right.  There is NO WAY to refute that paper.  NO WAY.  That should do it.  Constitution fulfilled by way of a document that does not indicate where he was born.  Swell.  That is great!  Why do you bother? Because you love to argue!

"WND columnist Janet Porter, who has investigated the dispute, wrote in her column that there are too many questions to ignore.

"In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital," she said.

"There's the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn't there at the time of Obama's visit," Porter wrote.

"There's another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in – since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens," she wrote.

"If he couldn't get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen," she wrote.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Oh, ok.  You all are right.  There is NO WAY to refute that paper.  NO WAY.  That should do it.  Constitution fulfilled by way of a document that does not indicate where he was born.  Swell.  That is great!

City Town Location of Birth: Honolulu

Island of Birth: Oahu

County of Birth: Honolulu

Issuing State: Hawaii

Issuing Agency: Hawaii Department of Health, U.S.A.
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That doesn't give you a clue of where he was born? Furthermore, as I also pointed our earlier... if he was born in Pakistan, India, or China to an American Citizen mother he would still be a natural born American Citizen by definition.

If McCain won you'd be giving the Canal zone argument.  You simple want there to be some grand conspiratorial injustice.  Sorry, usually there is not one.

Go find an Indonesian birth certificate or passport... otherwise the best evidence rule says I win.

Or jump up and down with your "alternative" solutions and whine some more without any evidence.

And I ask you again... you are the grand dragon of the Obama inquisition.  What does he have to provide you, other than a litany of government issued documents, to prove he is a natural born US citizen?  And if he is unable to provide those documents what would you do?  Depose an elected president who has proven he is a US Citizen and not not disprove he ever held an Indonesian passport?

You are putting the burden of proof on Obama to disprove your conspiracy theory.  Are you at all familiar with Russell's teapot?  The burden of proof is on the one proposing a new idea, not the one supporting the proposition supported by the current best evidence.

[tim huntzinger]

The Constitution said it, I follow it, that settles it.  The COBL is not proof. Sorry to be a weenie about it.

[rwarn17588]

Tim, when a chronic wingnut like jamesrage sees this "controversy" for the B.S. and lunacy that it is, you've got problems.

Just sayin'.