Ballpark's Financing Arranged

[TheArtist]

I started really looking at it and piecing together how its actually going to be dimensionally... and it starts to fall flat again. It is already very linear, but when you start to realize how it will look in real life with the set backs and all, the "line of sight", not a "straight on rendering",,, its going to lose even more of the height and interest that you see now.  

For instance, driving or walking up Archer from the west to the ballpark or along Elgin near Archer, you will not see the third level because it is set back so far. Also that black tower, and whats to the back of it, will be hidden because of how far its set back behind the building.

You will essentially be seeing just this...

[MDepr2007]

Now the 40 something % in favor of a downtown ballpark will drop below 40% ?

If the Tulsa Elite would allow bigger people to play, we could dream bigger[]

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

I don't hate it, I can see where they are going with it. It needs a grand entrance...something with an arch form to draw in the eye.

Artist or Gaspar, feel like adding a pretty door?

Can't polish that.  It's just all wrong, and slapping a pretty door on it is not enough.

Certainly would be easy to draw though.  I bet I could 3D it in less than a week.  Sketchup model in a day!

[TheArtist]

I think it can be tweaked up a little bit. I am curious as to what they have planned for the South side and the SW corner. Thats really the main entrance and the side people will see the most. In some older diagrams it appears that there are a few buildings along Archer, but in the latest it looks mostly open.  Is there going to be any artwork there? Fountains? etc. Cant tell yet what they have in mind. The general feeling I am getting is that from that side they want it to be very open, as if the outside and inside of the ballpark flow into each other. There isnt really an "entrance", its open space inviting you in. In an old rendering it looked as though there was a plaza with a fountain across the street, then sidewalk, street, then sidewalk right into the ballpark. Everything connected and flowed with similar design elements as one large space. And too, it could be they want it to be a bit more of a multi-function, multi-use space. Not just say "baseball park only" and only those inside can see inside. Plus, if they have more contemporary buildings around the ballpark that will help the whole area look nice.  The structure of the ballpark isnt intended to be some towering, architectural masterpiece, just nice, clean, simple lines, and the whole area working together creating a nice feel... I am still curious to see more.

[Rico]

There are some similarities in these two...





They will be neighbors no...?

[TheArtist]

And this... the new channel 6 building.



I am sure other similar stuff will go in that area soon as well.

[MDepr2007]

Does KOTV still have the money?
With the relations between KOTV, Tulsa World and KRMG , one might think they'd move in together.  They could share a dugout maybe

[RecycleMichael]

I did hear that the Channel 6 project has slowed.

Griffin made his money through syrup and jelly sales. Let's all go to the store and buy some Griffen's products to make sure he builds his new building.

[Gaspar]

I think both of those examples are quite beautiful, but they offer proportional vertical elements that make them graceful.



The play of color and texture, are wonderful in this one.



I don't see any of this in the ballpark.  I don't see anything interesting.  I see industrial, highway-side design.  Slap a few loading docks on it, and park a 53' simi trailer under the canopy.

[Rico]

With the relations between KOTV, Tulsa World and KRMG , one might think they'd move in together. They could share a dugout maybe    
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Tulsa World and share in the same sentence.

Roxanne will love you.



Gaspar......did you ever think that we might just be seeing the version of the building that they want you to see.??

The final cut will be to silence any resistance and leave one with a sense of victory.

Kinda like a wrestling match.

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[OurTulsa]

Can we start a new thread related to the design of the place.

Public buildings, particularly large public gathering facilities have the unique responsibility of articulating the character and identity of the people that make up the place in which it is located.  What does this building say about us?  If it didn't say 'ballpark' on it I would instantly think it was an annex to the City/County Jail or at best a new wing for Edison High School.  Maybe this is due to the 2-D nature of the drawing...I'm just sayin'.  

I am interested in seeing a pronounced focal point something that makes a resounding call to its presence, an announcement of sorts from the perspective that most people will personally relate to it, the southwest corner.  How the heck do you get into that place?  Can't tell if there is a primary entry or series of main entries (outside of the labels) from the elevation.  Have we become automated and without need for visual cues so as to read a building and understand its place in our built environment...or at least how to relate to it... use it?  

I'm concerned with the buildings ability to age.  I'm afraid in 10 years we'll all be past this fad of 'contemporary' architecture.

I hope that I'm way off and I'm just reading the drawings wrong.  But for the money we're about to throw down I was hoping for a more profound statement; something that got me excited as I walked up from the Blue Dome area, got me thinking about baseball and hearing those two words 'Play Ball'...instead of feeling like I'm walking into what looks like an expensive processing plant.  

Man, I really liked what Will Wilkens was proposing to do across the street!

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

With the relations between KOTV, Tulsa World and KRMG , one might think they'd move in together. They could share a dugout maybe    
<end quote......^

Tulsa World and share in the same sentence.

Roxanne will love you.



Gaspar......did you ever think that we might just be seeing the version of the building that they want you to see.??

The final cut will be to silence any resistance and leave one with a sense of victory.

Kinda like a wrestling match.

[]

You may be right.  I always accept that my perception is bias.  My hope is that the actual structure is far better than these simple images.  Unfortunately, now that I've analyzed the illustrated design of the structure as presented, I cannot go back to viewing it with new eyes.  It's simply missing several necessary components.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by OurTulsa



I'm concerned with the buildings ability to age.  I'm afraid in 10 years we'll all be past this fad of 'contemporary' architecture.

+1  It is indeed a fad.  Permanent architectural styles, even the modern ones use permanent elements that combine form and function and as a result are easy to maintain over long periods of time.  They are also easy to comprehend and merge into new styles as they evolve.  

You notice that many of the old buildings down town that are now being rehabbed into modern urban dwellings blend comfortably with the new modern elements added to them.

Fad styles are uni-dimensional.  They work with nothing else, therefore they become disposable as tastes change and communities evolve.  Like Hammer Pants.

[Ibanez]

Hold on just a minute. Hammer pants are out of style?

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Hold on just a minute. Hammer pants are out of style?

Yeah.  I think it has something to do with having to put your hand into your pocket up to the elbow to retrieve your cell phone each time it rings.

They worked with the older phones.