Obama: Everybody's Going To Have To Give

[guido911]

It began at only those over $250K/year would get the tax increase, then over the course of the campaign that number was reduced. Now, I guess we  all get to pay:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3684147&mesg_id=3684147

I love those lefties at DU.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

It began at only those over $250K/year would get the tax increase, then over the course of the campaign that number was reduced. Now, I guess we  all get to pay:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3684147&mesg_id=3684147

I love those lefties at DU.

[Gaspar]

I understand it was about "Change" but can we stop changing yet?  Looks like the old boss is back, and he hasn't even started yet.

[we vs us]

That whole "paralyzed with fear" thing was the LAST administration.  Obama's, you know, being kind of honest with the people who elected him. Compare and contrast "we're all going to have to contribute" to "keep shopping like you always have or the terrorists will have won."

Or what, you all have something against shared sacrifice?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Obama's, you know, being kind of honest with the people who elected him. Compare and contrast "we're all going to have to contribute" to "keep shopping like you always have or the terrorists will have won."

Oh really, well who said this in 2004:

"Look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years."

Who also said he would accept federal financing for his presidential run (only to turn around and refuse)? Or how about his flip on FISA and telecom immunity? Or his position on universal healthcare.

I cannot take this much honesty.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Obama's, you know, being kind of honest with the people who elected him. Compare and contrast "we're all going to have to contribute" to "keep shopping like you always have or the terrorists will have won."

Oh really, well who said this in 2004:

"Look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years."

Who also said he would accept federal financing for his presidential run (only to turn around and refuse)? Or how about his flip on FISA and telecom immunity? Or his position on universal healthcare.

I cannot take this much honesty.

Nov 7, 2005

George W Bush - "We do not torture".

How's that for a whopper?

Oh, but of course, Gweed will start calling me an 'Obama apologist'.

I think someone's going to need to be doing some 'apologizing' for that lie.

I'll put up with a lie about someone saying he wasn't going to run for national office over someone who lied about something covered in the Geneva Convention and something that could be considered a war crime.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Obama's, you know, being kind of honest with the people who elected him. Compare and contrast "we're all going to have to contribute" to "keep shopping like you always have or the terrorists will have won."

Oh really, well who said this in 2004:

"Look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years."

Who also said he would accept federal financing for his presidential run (only to turn around and refuse)? Or how about his flip on FISA and telecom immunity? Or his position on universal healthcare.

I cannot take this much honesty.

Nov 7, 2005

George W Bush - "We do not torture".

How's that for a whopper?

Oh, but of course, Gweed will start calling me an 'Obama apologist'.

I think someone's going to need to be doing some 'apologizing' for that lie.

I'll put up with a lie about someone saying he wasn't going to run for national office over someone who lied about something covered in the Geneva Convention and something that could be considered a war crime.

First, I thought this thread was about Obama? What does Bush have to do with any of this? And yes, not only are you an Obama apologist, but I think you would do anything for him.

Second, who specifically did the U.S. torture and what torture technique was utilized?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Obama's, you know, being kind of honest with the people who elected him. Compare and contrast "we're all going to have to contribute" to "keep shopping like you always have or the terrorists will have won."

Oh really, well who said this in 2004:

"Look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years."

Who also said he would accept federal financing for his presidential run (only to turn around and refuse)? Or how about his flip on FISA and telecom immunity? Or his position on universal healthcare.

I cannot take this much honesty.

Nov 7, 2005

George W Bush - "We do not torture".

How's that for a whopper?

Oh, but of course, Gweed will start calling me an 'Obama apologist'.

I think someone's going to need to be doing some 'apologizing' for that lie.

I'll put up with a lie about someone saying he wasn't going to run for national office over someone who lied about something covered in the Geneva Convention and something that could be considered a war crime.

First, I thought this thread was about Obama? What does Bush have to do with any of this? And yes, not only are you an Obama apologist, but I think you would do anything for him.

Second, who specifically did the U.S. torture and what torture technique was utilized?

Come on Gweed, I thought you'd be better at it than this.

Abu Ghraib?  Waterboarding?  This has been talked about for 5 years now.

[guido911]

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

Does the name 'Khalid Sheikh Mohammed' ring a bell?  He was waterboarded.  But I'm sure you have a way to disspell that too.

You have got to be kidding me, right?

And as far as Abu Ghraib goes, look at some of the pictures here and tell me you wouldn't consider that some form on psych torture?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

But go ahead, tell me that it ain't, Cheney, Jr.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

The gov acknowledges that at least three people were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay:

quote: Gen. Michael Hayden, head of the Central Intelligence Agency, confirmed one fact in a debate not likely to end soon:      "Waterboarding has been used on only three detainees," he told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee. "It was used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. It was used on Abu Zubaydah. And it was used on [Abd al-Rahim al-]Nashiri."

I say "at least" because I don't expect anyone in intelligence to release the correct number of waterboardees at Guantanamo, and the above also doesn't include the black prison sites the Bush Administration has built around the world.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

Does the name 'Khalid Sheikh Mohammed' ring a bell?  He was waterboarded.  But I'm sure you have a way to disspell that too.

Oh, the guy that planned 9/11? The guy that decapitated Daniel Pearl? The guy that gave up the Library Tower bombing plot in LA after being waterboarded? Yep! Bush should be prosecuted as a war criminal for abusing that piece of sh#t. The other two that were waterboarded were also high level al Qaeda figures. I will acknowledge that all three were both signatories and strict adherents to the Geneva Conventions.

As for Abu Ghraib, why exactly is Bush responsible for those abuses?  I thought those soldiers involved were criminally prosecuted.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

Does the name 'Khalid Sheikh Mohammed' ring a bell?  He was waterboarded.  But I'm sure you have a way to disspell that too.

Oh, the guy that planned 9/11? The guy that decapitated Daniel Pearl? The guy that gave up the Library Tower bombing plot in LA after being waterboarded? Yep! Bush should be prosecuted as a war criminal for abusing that piece of sh#t. The other two that were waterboarded were also high level al Qaeda figures. I will acknowledge that all three were both signatories and strict adherents to the Geneva Conventions.

As for Abu Ghraib, why exactly is Bush responsible for those abuses?  I thought those soldiers involved were criminally prosecuted.

Hey, I just reported what happened.  I ain't saying I agree or disagree, so don't put words in my mouth.

But when the government says that 'we don't torture' and the proof is right there in front of you, isn't that the highest form of hypocrisy?  A lie?

Oh no, two wrongs always equal a right though.  To hell with the Geneva Convention.

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2004/05/24/usint8614.htm

This administration can't be over quick enough for me...sheesh.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

Does the name 'Khalid Sheikh Mohammed' ring a bell?  He was waterboarded.  But I'm sure you have a way to disspell that too.

Oh, the guy that planned 9/11? The guy that decapitated Daniel Pearl? The guy that gave up the Library Tower bombing plot in LA after being waterboarded? Yep! Bush should be prosecuted as a war criminal for abusing that piece of sh#t. The other two that were waterboarded were also high level al Qaeda figures. I will acknowledge that all three were both signatories and strict adherents to the Geneva Conventions.

I don't care if it was Satan himself, waterboarding is torture, and torture is illegal.  Full stop.  

And you should brush up on the Geneva Conventions a tad, Guido.  The GC binds us regardless of who we're fighting against.  That includes non state fighters like Al Qaeda. There is never a time when the GCs do not apply to us.  They aren't optional.  

It kinda keeps me up at night that you're a lawyer yet seem to have no qualms about ignoring the law based on expedience.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Who got waterboarded is my question?

What torture was employed at Abu Ghraib? Are you talking about panties on the head of prisoners and naked men piled up?

Does the name 'Khalid Sheikh Mohammed' ring a bell?  He was waterboarded.  But I'm sure you have a way to disspell that too.

Oh, the guy that planned 9/11? The guy that decapitated Daniel Pearl? The guy that gave up the Library Tower bombing plot in LA after being waterboarded? Yep! Bush should be prosecuted as a war criminal for abusing that piece of sh#t. The other two that were waterboarded were also high level al Qaeda figures. I will acknowledge that all three were both signatories and strict adherents to the Geneva Conventions.

I don't care if it was Satan himself, waterboarding is torture, and torture is illegal.  Full stop.  

And you should brush up on the Geneva Conventions a tad, Guido.  The GC binds us regardless of who we're fighting against.  That includes non state fighters like Al Qaeda. There is never a time when the GCs do not apply to us.  They aren't optional.  

It kinda keeps me up at night that you're a lawyer yet seem to have no qualms about ignoring the law based on expedience.

Oh whatever. It kinda keeps me up at night knowing that you are an American and have no qualms about not preventing terrorists from blowing up your fellow countrymen. And as I posted on another thread in this forum, there's another lawyer out there that supports my position:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/22/ED5329.DTL