Tulsa Crime Forum

[JessnT]

I don't see the new forum as a way to scare people.  Not level headed people that is.  I think it could be informative and a very interesting discussion arena.  
Come on, crime in this city is a fact, and violent crime is on the rise.  Can you believe the IBC bank in South Tulsa has been hit twice in a 2 month period?  I'm thinking sitting in the drive through at my bank, which takes longer than going inside is not such a bad idea after all.

We could always go to topix.com where people are crude, rude and curse one another out and end up completely getting off the subject at hand.  

I like the idea Porky.
Once you get it up and going I too would like to see numbers, charts and sources.  Tulsa World sometimes favors the departments stats to make the people feel good.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by JessnT

I don't see the new forum as a way to scare people.  Not level headed people that is.  I think it could be informative and a very interesting discussion arena.  
Come on, crime in this city is a fact, and violent crime is on the rise.  Can you believe the IBC bank in South Tulsa has been hit twice in a 2 month period?  I'm thinking sitting in the drive through at my bank, which takes longer than going inside is not such a bad idea after all.

We could always go to topix.com where people are crude, rude and curse one another out and end up completely getting off the subject at hand.  

I like the idea Porky.
Once you get it up and going I too would like to see numbers, charts and sources.  Tulsa World sometimes favors the departments stats to make the people feel good.

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[swake]

quote:Originally posted by JessnT

I don't see the new forum as a way to scare people.  Not level headed people that is.  I think it could be informative and a very interesting discussion arena.  
Come on, crime in this city is a fact, and violent crime is on the rise.  

Actually, violent crime in the city of Tulsa was down in 2007 and 2008 from the numbers posted above. And while Tulsa's numbers are high, the suburbs are very low. As a region the numbers are probably about average or even below average. But listening to sensational broadcast media whose ratings are tied to scaring people you would never know that.

[RecycleMichael]

I agree with swake.

This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I agree with swake.

This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.

So am I correct in you feeling that crime isn't a problem in Tulsa and doesn't need addressing? Or that it's at a level that doesn't need addressing?

Honestly RM I'm really surprised by your remarks, I've always had a lot of respect for your opinions and I always will, in the most part. Obviously Swake is a different matter  but everyone knows him well. I'm just surprised (referring to RM not Swake) that you're so adamant against this site I have started. I guess it's like a TV set, if something is on and you don't like it you can always change the channel.

I do have one problem with your opinion, RM. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I honor that but your painting my website something other than it is. It's not a blood and guts site, it's not sensationalizing in any form......it's just a site of our daily crime in Tulsa with information on how to get help, support and etc. I've made it clear that I'm still building the site and will be creating positive resources on this site for solution.

Stone me if you wish but I can't understand why.  

[RecycleMichael]

OK. I will back off. I just am amazed that people focus on such a negative thing in our life.

Maybe I am just pollyanna, but I don't leave the house each day expecting to be a victim of crime. I am probably just overly affected by this because I know people who are paralyzed with fear. They watch the evening news and then are afraid to leave their home. They won't come downtown because they saw there was crime there once. I want to be diligent and protective, but reasonably able to function without being unneccesarily afraid.

I lumped you in with my negative feelings about the evening news. I apologize.

Don't be afraid to live.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

OK. I will back off. I just am amazed that people focus on such a negative thing in our life.

Maybe I am just pollyanna, but I don't leave the house each day expecting to be a victim of crime. I am probably just overly affected by this because I know people who are paralyzed with fear. They watch the evening news and then are afraid to leave their home. They won't come downtown because they saw there was crime there once. I want to be diligent and protective, but reasonably able to function without being unneccesarily afraid.

I lumped you in with my negative feelings about the evening news. I apologize.

Don't be afraid to live.

I more than understand and no apology is needed, RM.

I never fear either when I leave my home but what I do fear is for the youth and that is because of drugs. There are so many different fallout venues that come from drugs that plaque our youth.

PBS has a show on Oklahoma Prisons and it states in the program that over 90% of prisoners in Oklahoma are incarcerated because of some form of drug offense or drugs were used during their crime. We must do everything possible to keep our youth from falling into this crack that our society has created.

Domestic problems is another situation that is fueled from drugs. You can look at almost every crime story reported in the news and drugs are normally a factor in it. Our local media (which is awesome) normally covers on 10% of the crimes that happen daily in Tulsa and that information was given to me by TPD officers in the know.

I work at a company that has 700 employees, I've had many friends here fall into this crack and are now fired from here, in prison, dead or even worse living a life of being a string bean with their teeth falling out (referring to meth).

I have relatives that have fallen in this crack, as I'm sure a lot of us have.

I have a lifelong friend that got 18 years for making  meth, he served 11 years and was back in the joint in just 3 months because his addiction still lingered after all of that time.

I'm hoping the show this evening  "Crystal Darkness" will bring a lot of awareness to our youth and their parents. It'll be on at 6:30 on all of the stations in the Tulsa area by request of our Governor's wife.

[Kashmir]

Porky, I think this sounds like a good read and I will be visiting.  I don't like to focus on the negative but as I am home alone all day with my 2 tots, I do need to be observant and reasonably informed when I do venture out.

For instance, it's probably not idea, when I am loaded down with stroller and diaper bag and 2 children, to linger longer than neccesary in the parking lot of either mall. Or alone for that matter. Stuff like that.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Kashmir

Porky, I think this sounds like a good read and I will be visiting.  I don't like to focus on the negative but as I am home alone all day with my 2 tots, I do need to be observant and reasonably informed when I do venture out.

For instance, it's probably not idea, when I am loaded down with stroller and diaper bag and 2 children, to linger longer than neccesary in the parking lot of either mall. Or alone for that matter. Stuff like that.

You see, now he's made you needlessly scared. Go here:

http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/viewer.htm

For all of 2008 there were 13 crimes against physical persons (as opposed to shoplifting or theft from an empty car) in the Woodland Hills Mall area.  For all the millions and millions of visitors to that mall, probably tens of thousands of people there every day there were only 13 crimes against a person. 6 assaults and 7 robberies, that's it, for all of 2008. Your odds of being harmed or robbed in that parking lot is nearly zero but now you are scared and wary.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by Kashmir

Porky, I think this sounds like a good read and I will be visiting.  I don't like to focus on the negative but as I am home alone all day with my 2 tots, I do need to be observant and reasonably informed when I do venture out.

For instance, it's probably not idea, when I am loaded down with stroller and diaper bag and 2 children, to linger longer than neccesary in the parking lot of either mall. Or alone for that matter. Stuff like that.

I'm gathering info on prevention to put on the site and hopefully be adding it next week.

I can tell you that Woodland is a very safe place to go but I can't say the same for Promenade.

Theft of vehicles and people breaking into them is a problem in areas where people leave their cars for a long period of time. A good example would be a movie Theatre where the crooks see you drive in and know you'll be away from your car for a couple of hours. Where as a Mall the crooks have no idea how long you'll be in there.

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I agree with swake.

This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.

I disagree. Alert maybe, but not scared.

I own a local store, and check the news daily to see if there have been any robbery or overnight burglary attempts in my area.

Already favorited this new website.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Porky
I can tell you that Woodland is a very safe place to go but I can't say the same for Promenade.

Why can't you say that Promenade is safe? I can.

8 total crimes against someone's person at Promenade in 2008, again out of millions of visits. Again, the odds of something really bad happening there is about nil. Stop scaring people.

And as for your movie theater theory, there were zero car thefts or car burglaries at the AMC 20 across the street from Promenade in 2008.

Please, try to use facts.

[Kashmir]

I'm not scared...I  practically ate lunch at Woodland everyday as a high schooler.  In my case, with 2 little distractions and hands full leaves me more vunerable than say RM or any other average guy.  I just know to park as close as I can to the door and be aware of my surroundings.  There may have only been 13 physical assaults, but I sure don't want to be one of them.

I was just saying it would be nice to have a heads up on weird things going on around here.  For example...back in the fall some weirdos were walking neighborhoods selling this "Advantage" cleaner crap.  Through this forum my suspicions were confirmed and I knew to be a bit more vigilant when walking to the park, being extra sure to keep gate locked, etc.

As for being scared and wary...wary yes, scared no.

[sauerkraut]

Omaha, NE is having a ton of store robberies, so many in fact that the Omaha PD has started an all out attack on robberies they won't say exactly what it is they are doing, they don't want to alert the robbers- anyhow, so far they caught some bad guys. Omaha had a bad murder of a 42 year old female store clerk last week. She did everything the robber asked of her and he still shot her. Tulsa should try a speical police robbery attack force, or have a crime unit for dangerous areas- It's more productive than ticket writting anyhow.

[Hawkins]

TPD are ticket-writing specialists.

The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!

Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?