Tulsa Crime Forum

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

TPD are ticket-writing specialists.

The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!

Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?

Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?

[inteller]

based on the safety features of today's cars...a criminal.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by swake


Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?

That would be a car accident with the driver being criminally impaired.

[JessnT]

Swake, I don't know you and obviously I'm new here and shouldn't throw my weight around but you keep telling Porky to quit scaring people.

How is inviting interested members to a Crime Forum scaring people?  If people don't wish to be scared (I say informed), they don't have to view it just like a scary movie.  Porky has already mentioned this is in its infant stage so-to-speak.  I'm sure numbers and sources will follow.

You keep mentioning things like 8 total crimes at promenade in 2008 and 6 assaults in 2008 at woodland hills like it's no big deal.  What if one of those crimes were your mother, father,sister, brother, wife, girlfriend, etc.  What if they weren't so lucky and got killed?  Oh well, they were just a statistic huh?

Bottom line is that people are people and they DO NOT care about statistics!  They want to be informed and people are curious and sometimes morbid and tend to be interested in crime.  Especially when it is in their own backyard.

If you don't like what Porky is doing, don't read it.  It's that simple.  Quit reeling about the scaring and statistics and maybe us lucky folks who haven't ended up a statistic might learn something by joining and keep ourselves and our families and loved ones safe.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by JessnT



Bottom line is that people are people and they DO NOT care about statistics!  

So we shouldn't let facts get in the way of our perceptions, no matter how inaccurate those perceptions may be?

[RecycleMichael]

We are all afraid of something. I am afraid to die. I won't eat natural food because I am afraid of dying of natural causes.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by swake


Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?

That would be a car accident with the driver being criminally impaired.

Wrong again,

Like fish in a barrel.

The last year I could find numbers for all three statistics is 2002.

Number of people murdered nationally:  16,204
Number of people killed in car accidents: 42,815
Number of people killed in alcohol related accidents: 17,419.

So you can conclude that you are more likely to die due to a drunk driver than to be murdered. But that's not the case unless you drive drunk or walk into traffic drunk. Intoxicated drivers and intoxicated pedestrians make up 10,235 of those deaths. So passengers and non-intoxicated drivers only made up 7,184 deaths. So if you don't drink and drive (or walk) you are much more likely to be murdered. If you are smart enough to avoid being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver then risk is cut again.

So you are still more likely to die in a non-alcohol related accident than in an alcohol related one or be murdered. 25,396 people were killed in accidents where drinking was not a factor. The number of people killed in non-Alcohol related accidents in fact out number deaths due to murder and innocent victims killed due to drunk driving, combined. 25,396 to 23,388. And that's not even taking into account that a huge percentage of those murder victim numbers were innocent people killed by drunk drivers.

So Porky, your statement is wrong again. Cars are more dangerous than crime, even if you count victims of drunk drivers.

[Porky]

Actually my first thought was cell phones, looks like I'm right again...... Swake. [8D]

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

Actually my first thought was cell phones, looks like I'm right again...... Swake. [8D]

No law against cell phones in cars in Oklahoma.

But, there are an estimated 6200 deaths in cars due to cell phone, and that's probably a very high number as it's by a group trying to ban cell phone usage in car so no, that's not a leading cause of death in a nation of 300 million people.

Hey, have you considered a website on something truly dangerous? Cardiovascular Disease. Number One leading cause of death in America, 38% of all deaths. 921,000 people died from Cardiovascular Disease in 2002. That's more than all these other causes combined and multiplied by ten.

We worry about the wrong things.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Porky

Actually my first thought was cell phones, looks like I'm right again...... Swake. [8D]

No law against cell phones in cars in Oklahoma.

which needs to get fixed.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by swake
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The irony to all of this, as you go on and on about me trying to scare people and etc....... is you're scaring me.

I'm serious Swake, your behavior reminds me of a Kathy Bates in the movie Misery.

I sure hope to awake tomorrow morning without being tied to my bed with you standing over me busting my legs with a sledge hammer.

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by swake



Number of people murdered nationally:  16,204
Number of people killed in car accidents: 42,815
Number of people killed in alcohol related accidents: 17,419.

Your murder numbers are just the numbers of people intentionally killed by others.   If we applied those same criteria to the car accidents I would imagine that they would be dramatically reduced.

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

TPD are ticket-writing specialists.

The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!

Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?

Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?

Neither. I wear my seatbelt and I carry a gun.

Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?

Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.

You guys like a police state, well good for you because we've got one, and it will only get worse from here out.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?

Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.

I agree, if those undercover cars had a real purpose they wouldn't of given them to the traffic squad. They're just a money machine for the city.

Here's a story of interest I have up today. I was completely shocked when I heard it yesterday. Every parent needs to see and hear this.

http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=56

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?

Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.

I agree, if those undercover cars had a real purpose they wouldn't of given them to the traffic squad. They're just a money machine for the city.

Here's a story of interest I have up today. I was completely shocked when I heard it yesterday. Every parent needs to see and hear this.

http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=56

More fear mongering about threats that don't really exist.

If you let your kids play video games they are going to shoot you!

Completely debunked idiocy.

Harvard Study Finds no link between violence and video games:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9942041-1.html?tag=mncol;txt

More of the same from the Journal Science by a professor at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign:
http://www.physorg.com/news5758.html

And another study by a professor at Southern Cal:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-03-02-killer-games_N.htm

You really live your life in such fear and outrage don't you? Lots of stress there worrying about crime and cell phones and video games. It's bad for you. You might want to have your heart checked, stress like than can lead to heart disease, which actually is THE leading cause of the death in the United States.