SPEED TRAPS IN TULSa

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Rico


Top Ten reasons for the case......for Speed Traps.!

1. Traffic stops are a primary path to the prevention of crime.

Just stopping everyone to see what you can find wrong with them worked well for the Nazis, Soviets, etc, but a free society should have the bar raised a bit higher.

RE the Owasso DUI, exercising your right to refuse a field sobriety test is "obstructing an officer"?
Really? [B)]

Patric.... Does it say "stop everyone".?

By the way.. nice touch how you captured the (black i)... or was it "black eye"..?

Whatever;

The point was that if a cop encounters someone behaving in a manner, while driving an automobile, with a flagrant disregard for the law.... the large majority of those people have more than just that offense on their jacket.

I really wasn't talking about a "speed trap" situation.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

That license plate spray sounds good, I never heard of it. I always thought people had the right to face their accusers when charged with a crime, but courts have ruled that you can get a camera ticket and charged with a crime even if the camera does not show up in court to be cross-examed. Cameras seem un-constitunal to me.

It's not a criminal complaint..it's a civil citation. That's the loophole they use. The same one used in many states to deny you the right to a jury trial for a traffic violation.

[tnt091605]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I got a sure fired way of never getting a speeding ticket.  DON'T SPEED!

Such a simplistic view would have traction if the, um, "enhanced enforcement efforts" werent strategically placed where the physics of the terrain precipitate transient spikes in the speed of otherwise law-abiding drivers.

Nailing someone disregarding the law on even ground is one thing, but metering people at the bottom of a hill is disingenuous and calculated.  

With this kind of logic you just say.  Well I was going 55 with the speed limit was 40 but I was on a hill.  So I should not have been injured like I was going 55!  It was just the hill!  Moron!

[tnt091605]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

It's pretty well proven that speeding tickets don't actually do any good. It does just as much good to post a single unit in a problem area to sit there and look pretty and make people's radar detectors go off.

Most folks slow down when they see an officer. The ones that fail to correct their speed should be ticketed.

Posting four officers in one location doesn't do much good.

The real solution is to narrow the roadway such that people don't want to speed.

Of course, here in Tulsa, we can't think outside the box like that, so we ticket and install speed bumps. They're both useless, but speed bumps are also dangerous and cause noise and pollution in the neighborhood.

Proven??  Where is this Study?

[tnt091605]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

Define 'speed trap'.

And since the police department has receive untold number of complaints about speeders in the area of 33rd and Irvington, and you obviously don't feel the police are needed there (even though plenty of speeding is going on there since plenty of tickets are being written), your response to these citizens who live on this street who call the police would be what?

Lets pick:

1.  Tough beans.
2.  Move.
3.  Got better things to do.
4.  Hope your kids don't get run over.

It's a residential street.  What kind of speed limit would you like?

I got a sure fired way of never getting a speeding ticket.  DON'T SPEED!  It's simple and saves lives.  What a concept!

And knowing what most officers give before they stop a speeder, I'll guarantee you most are at 40 or above.  And don't tell me you're getting tickets for 35.  The officer stopped you going faster but lowered the speed to 35 to keep the ticket off your driving record.  So, 40 through a residential is too slow.  You mean the speed limit on Riverside is too slow for that area.

EVERY speeding ticket goes on your driving record, regardless of if it's 2 miles over or 25.  The difference is that insurance companies get different kinds of driving records than other, say, trucking companies do.  So what a police officer is doing if he reduces it to 9 over the limit or less, is keeping your insurance company from seeing it on your record to keep your rates down, because they get restricted records.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.  I have received a few speeding tickets over the years and can tell you first hand, not all of them show up on your driving record.  If you don't believe me, the next time you get pulled over, have the officer pull up your driving record and compare it to your driving record the DMV can pull.  I can guarantee you, it will be differ.  The DMV only goes back 5 yrs and DOES NOT list every ticket in that 5 years.  I don't know the exact rules or parameters, but they are not all listed.  I don't know where you got your information from, but it is incorrect.

I know for a fact that the police officer pulling you over can see your complete history.  He showed me.  It had tickets on there from when I was in high school.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by tnt091605

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

It's pretty well proven that speeding tickets don't actually do any good. It does just as much good to post a single unit in a problem area to sit there and look pretty and make people's radar detectors go off.

Most folks slow down when they see an officer. The ones that fail to correct their speed should be ticketed.

Posting four officers in one location doesn't do much good.

The real solution is to narrow the roadway such that people don't want to speed.

Of course, here in Tulsa, we can't think outside the box like that, so we ticket and install speed bumps. They're both useless, but speed bumps are also dangerous and cause noise and pollution in the neighborhood.

Proven??  Where is this Study?

Use the google, luke.

Anecdotally, I was talking to a friend the other day who claims she doesn't speed anymore because she got a bunch of tickets. A couple of days later we were going to dinner and she was driving...and speeding.