Rush, Obama, Terrorist, Traitor and Cindy Brady

[mrburns918]

I am sure most of you have heard the uproar regarding Rush Limbaugh's comment "I know what his plans are... I don't want them to succeed. I hope he fails" Some will defend Rush's statement as being taken out of context and it may have been, however, with this little nugget, I can't help be reminded of the same ol' hypocritical ilk that comes out of both parties. It's like playing a schizophrenic version of the game "Operation", Butterfingers!

When Bush said "You are either with us, or against us in the fight against terrorism " most of the fear monger types like Sean Hannity used Bush's communistic gaffe to say that anyone who questions America's fight against terrorism is a traitor and hates America.

Is Rush Limbaugh a traitor? Is everyone else a traitor who doesn't support the economic stimuli package that the President is pushing to try and save our country from a (possible)depression?

Will Sean Hannity ever give up the Rev Wright/Bill Ayers crisis or follow the path steadily catching up with Charles Grodin as he continues to still pound his chest regarding the guilt of O.J. Simpson? I digress.

Will both parties ever challenge within their own and practice what they preach? Show the importance of partisanship using a self reflecting, intellectual stance? Are we destined only to rely on the ignorance, bullying, hypocritical, anti-intellectual, supposed insightful political commentators? Those commentators who have blessed us with the equivalent of "baby talk, baby talk, it's a wonder you can walk"?

I do not support the stimuli package, and I didn't support the invasion of Iraq. Does this make me a traitor? Half a traitor? Butterfingers!

Mr. Burns

[we vs us]

Charles Grodin is still alive?

[mrburns918]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Charles Grodin is still alive?

I wondered that while watching his show. His performance in "Midnight Run" was pretty darn good.

Mr. Burns

[Neptune]

Hold the door now.  1) Right-wing nut-ball commentators are speaking to a specific group;  Right-wing Nut-balls.  2)  They're entire strategy relies on three basic principles; A) It's easy to keep people pissed off.  B)  People are basically stupid, they believe the illogical.  C)  People have very short memories, they remember that they are pissed, but without repeating the ramblings of the commentator, they wouldn't know why.

You can talk about scumbags like G Gordon Liddy saying to shoot FBI agents.  Or any of the quasi-racist comments of Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter, their audience is literally insane, and they can't remember what drove them there.  A fixation requirement, for anger and fear, keeps them there.  The people they talk to are literally, like addicts, a captive audience.

You know, people like G Gordon Liddy and Ollie North in particular, those people were likely trash the day they were born.  It does not matter to their audience.  As long as the scumbag is saying what you want, you follow.  That's how it works.

If Hitler himself were on radio today, he'd probably have decent ratings.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

If Hitler himself were on radio today, he'd probably have decent ratings.

Godwinned!  

Carry on.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Godwinned!  

Carry on.

I'm not saying Limbaugh is Hitler, I'm not even saying Hitler would be very competitive with Limbaugh.  There is a such thing as too insane, those people end up as local radio nuts.  I guess what I mean to say is, if this were a head to head radio pepsi-challenge, my money would be on Hitler to beat out Bates.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Godwinned!  

Carry on.

I'm not saying Limbaugh is Hitler, I'm not even saying Hitler would be very competitive with Limbaugh.  There is a such thing as too insane, those people end up as local radio nuts.  I guess what I mean to say is, if this were a head to head radio pepsi-challenge, my money would be on Hitler to beat out Bates.

Double dog Godwinned!

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Double dog Godwinned!

If Hitler were a son-of-a-Bush, he'd have been elected twice.  Don't have to mention the part about invading random countries, and crashing the economy.

[Fatstrat]

I believe that Limbaugh believes that Obama is a socialist who hopes to convert the U.S. to socialism. I believe there is at least reasonable evidence to suspect this. And if it true, I concur w/Limbaugh that I hope he fails.
That said, I also believe that what is happening is a part of a much larger plan. That GW Bush was also a part of.
Say what you will, IMO Bush was far from a conservative. And from the very beginning of his 1st term, set the wheels in motion for the demise of the conservative Republican party by defying his base and refusing to act based on conservative principle. And conservative dis-satisfaction lead to the loss of majority in the houses.
And we can't forget the steady artificial  increase of fuel/energy costs which was the tipping point in bursting the housing bubble. Which was the beginning of the economic shutdown. When people were spending 50%+ of their incomes on gas and utilities. Not to mention the resulting higher prices on EVERYTHING. They could no longer make their mortgage payments.
   Then the GOP ran the single most despised Republican for President with only 20% support of the base. Who then committed political suicide by making a big show of going to Washington to vote FOR the bail outs. That he knew not only conservatives, but nearly 80% of ALL Americans opposed.
Call me a tin foil hat wearer, but I believe that the people of the United States are being purposely bankrupted in order to bring about a new world currency and One World Govt.
Bush ran the 1st leg, and has passed the baton to Obama.

[Neptune]

I believe that the United States is still grappling with the effects of the Cold War.  We still have a Cold War hangover.  We are still philosophically polarized.

Probably the most famous or infamous anti-Communist movements in the US, were anti-Civil Rights movements.  Though these movements were a somewhat veiled attempt to protect the political fruits of racial fears, they were also reflective of a national philosophical polarization.  People had to decide, "was it communism, or was it the obligation of a fair and just society?"  That was the national dialogue, and to a degree, it still is.

Of course, the first voters that "weren't even born" during the Cold War; they just started voting.  The clock is ticking away on our old ways.

Hitler was also a staunch anti-communist.  Splash!!!!  A perfect Quadruple Godwin.  Tens all around, except for the German judge.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

I believe that Limbaugh believes that Obama is a socialist who hopes to convert the U.S. to socialism. I believe there is at least reasonable evidence to suspect this. And if it true, I concur w/Limbaugh that I hope he fails.
That said, I also believe that what is happening is a part of a much larger plan. That GW Bush was also a part of.
Say what you will, IMO Bush was far from a conservative. And from the very beginning of his 1st term, set the wheels in motion for the demise of the conservative Republican party by defying his base and refusing to act based on conservative principle. And conservative dis-satisfaction lead to the loss of majority in the houses.
And we can't forget the steady artificial  increase of fuel/energy costs which was the tipping point in bursting the housing bubble. Which was the beginning of the economic shutdown. When people were spending 50%+ of their incomes on gas and utilities. Not to mention the resulting higher prices on EVERYTHING. They could no longer make their mortgage payments.
   Then the GOP ran the single most despised Republican for President with only 20% support of the base. Who then committed political suicide by making a big show of going to Washington to vote FOR the bail outs. That he knew not only conservatives, but nearly 80% of ALL Americans opposed.
Call me a tin foil hat wearer, but I believe that the people of the United States are being purposely bankrupted in order to bring about a new world currency and One World Govt.
Bush ran the 1st leg, and has passed the baton to Obama.

OK, you're a tinfoil hat wearer.

Hey, you suggested it.

Your post also has self-parody written all over it. "Socialism." "One World Govt." "New world currency." You're not a spoof, are you? Or jamesrage's sedated brother?

That "most despised Republican for president" is a laugh, too. For one thing, McCain won the nomination fairly easily. Second, McCain had approval numbers in the 70s before the election campaign -- far better than the rest of his GOP rivals. With approval numbers that high, "despised" isn't the word I would be using.

If not, you still haven't figured out why Republicans lost. Conservatism (or lack thereof) has got nothing to do with it. Lack of competency has everything to do with it. The GOP just isn't very competent right now. And Lord knows Bush sure wasn't.

[Fatstrat]

I agree w/you on some points. The GOP at present is a joke. They don't even have the support of the majority of their base.
As for McCain. McCain won the nomination on the strength of support from the Liberal mass media who promoted him knowing he would have a hard time carrying conservatives. And who of course then turned on him. And moderate voters in the 1st two blue state primary's.
McCain never had the support of true conservitives who remembered all too well the McCain/Fiengold and McCain/Kennedy bills.
And if not for Palin, he would've gotten slaughtered in the election as most conservatives would have likely just stayed home rather than vote the party line on such a traitor to conservativism.
The vast majority of conservative votes McCain got were actually votes for Palin in hopes she would succeed, or better yet replace him during his term.
I find it incredable that you can't see the obvious as far as the economy. Our elected leaders have and are doing everything exactly opposite to good common sense.
They refused to close the borders and stop illegal immigration. All while millions of illegals sucked our nations social services dry.
They allowed profiteers to artificially inflate fuel prices which in turn caused severe hardships on Americans leading to loss of homes and eventual business failures.
Instead of allowing bad business practices to fail, they rewarded thenm w/unconsititutional bail-outs of taxpayer money that they didn't even have. Which was then spent on executive bonuses and expensive corporate vacations for the very people who made the bad business decisions.
And these practices continue into the Obama administration.
If an enemy had set out to purposly destroy the United States economy, they couldn't have done it better.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat


McCain never had the support of true conservitives who remembered all too well the McCain/Fiengold and McCain/Kennedy bills.

Perhaps. But the election season made it abundantly clear that there aren't enough "true conservatives" to win *any* election. The appeal to the electorate has to be a lot broader than that.

The only Republican candidates that so-called "true conservatives" seemed to embrace were Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter. And you saw how far they got.

(For my money, I thought the most formidable GOP candidate, save for McCain, was Huckabee. But many Republican voters were turned off by his evangelicalism and his tax hikes in Arkansas -- nevermind that Reagan instituted tax hikes while he was in office.)

It ain't enough to be a "true conservative" candidate. To win elections, you have to appeal to moderates. That's a fact of life.

Remember, conservatives, it's not all about you.

[Fatstrat]

I believe you have an extremely valid point. True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.  We have now reached the point young Americans schooled in Socialist goverment nannyism are reaching voting age. And the conservtive principles of patriotism. And perhaps most importantly independent self sufficience are giving way to a " I am and therefore I deserve. And I expect the Govt. to provide" mentality. Regardless of how much effort the individual puts into his own success and prosperity.
" And the times they are a changing".

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.

No, conservatism isn't dying because of schools (nevermind that home-schooling has been exploding in the past decade -- to no effect on the polls in 2008, apparently).

Conservatism is dying because people perceive, from the previous eight years, that it's not an effective form of government.

You yourself admitted that Bush was a failure; you don't think that doesn't have an effect on the popularity of conservatism in general?

And frankly, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was the most fiscally responsible president of my lifetime. The last three Republican presidents saw the federal deficit explode on their watch.

It seems Republicans talk a lot about fiscal responsibility on the federal level, but are abysmally bad at executing it.

Maybe conservatism is all theory, no practice.