Rush, Obama, Terrorist, Traitor and Cindy Brady

[Fatstrat]

I believe you have an extremely valid point. True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.  We have now reached the point young Americans schooled in Socialist goverment nannyism are reaching voting age. And the conservtive principles of patriotism. And perhaps most importantly independent self sufficience are giving way to a " I am and therefore I deserve. And I expect the Govt. to provide" mentality. Regardless of how much effort the individual puts into his own success and prosperity.
" And the times they are a changing".

[Fatstrat]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.

No, conservatism isn't dying because of schools (nevermind that home-schooling has been exploding in the past decade -- to no effect on the polls in 2008, apparently).

Conservatism is dying because people perceive, from the previous eight years, that it's not an effective form of government.

You yourself admitted that Bush was a failure; you don't think that doesn't have an effect on the popularity of conservatism in general?

And frankly, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was the most fiscally responsible president of my lifetime. The last three Republican presidents saw the federal deficit explode on their watch.

It seems Republicans talk a lot about fiscal responsibility on the federal level, but are abysmally bad at executing it.

Maybe conservatism is all theory, no practice.

I think that the majority of students being home schooled are still largely sub voting age. A decade is only 10 years.
To the contrary about Bush. I think he left office w/that smug smirk because he was incredibly successfull in his goals. The problem was that he was working for someone other than the American people.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.

No, conservatism isn't dying because of schools (nevermind that home-schooling has been exploding in the past decade -- to no effect on the polls in 2008, apparently).

Conservatism is dying because people perceive, from the previous eight years, that it's not an effective form of government.

You yourself admitted that Bush was a failure; you don't think that doesn't have an effect on the popularity of conservatism in general?

And frankly, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was the most fiscally responsible president of my lifetime. The last three Republican presidents saw the federal deficit explode on their watch.

It seems Republicans talk a lot about fiscal responsibility on the federal level, but are abysmally bad at executing it.

Maybe conservatism is all theory, no practice.

I think that the majority of students being home schooled are still largely sub voting age. A decade is only 10 years.
To the contrary about Bush. I think he left office w/that smug smirk because he was incredibly successfull in his goals. The problem was that he was working for someone other than the American people.

What goals do you think he thinks he succeeded? I'm genuinely curious to know. I'm not sure of anything he did particularly well, except getting a much better handle on AIDS control in Africa.

[Conan71]

That Hannity and Limbaugh still have much credibility is beyond me.  They supported the WOT with full vigor and Bush's moral/Christian agenda and totally ignored or gave him a free pass on his poor fiscal policy.

A strong argument can be made for or against the WOT.  Personally, I sleep better at night knowing the last attack on U.S. soil was 7 1/2 years ago, yet we've created more and more layers of costly bureaucracies in the process of dealing with this and unprecidented national disasters the last eight years.

Some of this was un-avoidable and we'd likely be talking about what a piss-poor President Bush had been if we'd done nothing in response to 9/11 and attacks had continued on U.S. soil.  

He couldn't win at all with Katrina in public opinion regardless if he'd been in NOL wihtin 15 minutes of the storm passing, personally handing out food and debit cards.

As long as us voters keep repeating the same behavior of voting for people who are more interested in governing for their highest donors, and not those who actually vote for them, we can expect an ever-expanding expensive government.

[Neptune]

You can teach a person about communism and the "evils of communism", but without a significant nemesis, people end up skeptical.  Instead of people saying, "they are evil, and anything remotely resembling it must be evil", people start to think "those guys were evil, and this is why...".  

People begin to judge reality based on individual merit, rather than automatically categorize an issue based on some polarized political philosophy.  The Cold War mentality did as much damage to us, as it did them.

[Fatstrat]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.

No, conservatism isn't dying because of schools (nevermind that home-schooling has been exploding in the past decade -- to no effect on the polls in 2008, apparently).

Conservatism is dying because people perceive, from the previous eight years, that it's not an effective form of government.

You yourself admitted that Bush was a failure; you don't think that doesn't have an effect on the popularity of conservatism in general?

And frankly, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was the most fiscally responsible president of my lifetime. The last three Republican presidents saw the federal deficit explode on their watch.

It seems Republicans talk a lot about fiscal responsibility on the federal level, but are abysmally bad at executing it.

Maybe conservatism is all theory, no practice.

I think that the majority of students being home schooled are still largely sub voting age. A decade is only 10 years.
To the contrary about Bush. I think he left office w/that smug smirk because he was incredibly successfull in his goals. The problem was that he was working for someone other than the American people.

What goals do you think he thinks he succeeded? I'm genuinely curious to know. I'm not sure of anything he did particularly well, except getting a much better handle on AIDS control in Africa.

Destroying the economy in order to bring us closer to One World Govt.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

True conservatism is dying in America. Largely due to the extremely Liberal educations provided in our public schools.

No, conservatism isn't dying because of schools (nevermind that home-schooling has been exploding in the past decade -- to no effect on the polls in 2008, apparently).

Conservatism is dying because people perceive, from the previous eight years, that it's not an effective form of government.

You yourself admitted that Bush was a failure; you don't think that doesn't have an effect on the popularity of conservatism in general?

And frankly, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was the most fiscally responsible president of my lifetime. The last three Republican presidents saw the federal deficit explode on their watch.

It seems Republicans talk a lot about fiscal responsibility on the federal level, but are abysmally bad at executing it.

Maybe conservatism is all theory, no practice.

I think that the majority of students being home schooled are still largely sub voting age. A decade is only 10 years.
To the contrary about Bush. I think he left office w/that smug smirk because he was incredibly successfull in his goals. The problem was that he was working for someone other than the American people.

What goals do you think he thinks he succeeded? I'm genuinely curious to know. I'm not sure of anything he did particularly well, except getting a much better handle on AIDS control in Africa.

Destroying the economy in order to bring us closer to One World Govt.

Aaaaand the circle is complete.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

What goals do you think he thinks he succeeded? I'm genuinely curious to know. I'm not sure of anything he did particularly well, except getting a much better handle on AIDS control in Africa.

Destroying the economy in order to bring us closer to One World Govt.
[/quote]

Oooooooookay.

Folks, that big swooshing sound you hear is Fatstrat's credibility flying out the window.

The only thing missing are the black helicopters, the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission.

If you believe that stuff, I've got some beachfront property in Oakhurst to sell you.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

That Hannity and Limbaugh still have much credibility is beyond me.  They supported the WOT with full vigor and Bush's moral/Christian agenda and totally ignored or gave him a free pass on his poor fiscal policy.

A strong argument can be made for or against the WOT.  Personally, I sleep better at night knowing the last attack on U.S. soil was 7 1/2 years ago, yet we've created more and more layers of costly bureaucracies in the process of dealing with this and unprecidented national disasters the last eight years.

Some of this was un-avoidable and we'd likely be talking about what a piss-poor President Bush had been if we'd done nothing in response to 9/11 and attacks had continued on U.S. soil.  

He couldn't win at all with Katrina in public opinion regardless if he'd been in NOL wihtin 15 minutes of the storm passing, personally handing out food and debit cards.

As long as us voters keep repeating the same behavior of voting for people who are more interested in governing for their highest donors, and not those who actually vote for them, we can expect an ever-expanding expensive government.

You can rest a little easier. Apparently, Obama will keep "renditioning" terrorists despite how many consider it inhumane and "torture."

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,7548176,full.story

[Fatstrat]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

What goals do you think he thinks he succeeded? I'm genuinely curious to know. I'm not sure of anything he did particularly well, except getting a much better handle on AIDS control in Africa.

Destroying the economy in order to bring us closer to One World Govt.

Oooooooookay.

Folks, that big swooshing sound you hear is Fatstrat's credibility flying out the window.

The only thing missing are the black helicopters, the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission.

If you believe that stuff, I've got some beachfront property in Oakhurst to sell you.
[/quote]
You mean you haven't noticed the increased helicopter traffic?[:O]
Seriously,did you read my previous post explaining how I came to this conclusion?
I don't follow w/the popular opinion that Bush (and his cabinet) is dumb. One just doesn't get to that position by being dumb. Nor is he timid.
Yet Bush constantly defied his base, the known will of the people, and even common sense by not only allowing, but instituting many of the key factors in our economic decline. The man was obviously marching to the beat of a drummer other than the American people.
Time will tell how much credibility I deserve on this. And I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

You can rest a little easier. Apparently, Obama will keep "renditioning" terrorists despite how many consider it inhumane and "torture."

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,7548176,full.story

Interestingly enough, "rendition" is not the same as "extraordinary rendition."    

Plain old vanilla rendition "regularly involved snatching and removing targets for purposes of bringing them to justice by delivering them to a criminal justice system. It did not involve the operation of long-term detention facilities and it did not involve torture."  Which, as we all should know by now, extraordinary rendition did.

[Fatstrat]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by guido911

You can rest a little easier. Apparently, Obama will keep "renditioning" terrorists despite how many consider it inhumane and "torture."

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,7548176,full.story

Interestingly enough, "rendition" is not the same as "extraordinary rendition."    

Plain old vanilla rendition "regularly involved snatching and removing targets for purposes of bringing them to justice by delivering them to a criminal justice system. It did not involve the operation of long-term detention facilities and it did not involve torture."  Which, as we all should know by now, extraordinary rendition did.

I cannot imagine that the Gitmo detainees suffered a torture worse than standing in the windows of the burning World Trade Centers,contemplating the merits of jumping to ones death, or being burned to death.
Anytime you think waterboarding is excessive,just do a net search to find pics/films of the people who chose to jump. Then decide if what was done to stop that from happening again was excessive.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

I cannot imagine that the Gitmo detainees suffered a torture worse than standing in the windows of the burning World Trade Centers,contemplating the merits of jumping to ones death, or being burned to death.
Anytime you think waterboarding is excessive,just do a net search to find pics/films of the people who chose to jump. Then decide if what was done to stop that from happening again was excessive.

Because as Americans, pure as the driven snow, a shining city on a hill; we could care less about justice.  It's all about revenge.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

What goals do you think he thinks he succeeded? I'm genuinely curious to know. I'm not sure of anything he did particularly well, except getting a much better handle on AIDS control in Africa.

Destroying the economy in order to bring us closer to One World Govt.

Oooooooookay.

Folks, that big swooshing sound you hear is Fatstrat's credibility flying out the window.

The only thing missing are the black helicopters, the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission.

If you believe that stuff, I've got some beachfront property in Oakhurst to sell you.

You mean you haven't noticed the increased helicopter traffic?[:O]
Seriously,did you read my previous post explaining how I came to this conclusion?

[/quote]

Yes, I did. The big problem with your hypothesis is you have zero evidence that President Bush was trying to wreck the economy in order to install a one-world government.

This is the same sort of nutball reasoning that gave us the 9/11 Truth movement, Holocaust deniers, "Obama was born in Africa" stuff, and "Obama's memoirs were ghost-written" foolishness. The conspiracy theorists ignore truckloads of evidence to the contrary and focus on microdots of dubious circumstantial evidence to support their weak case.

I have a great tendency to be skeptical of conspiracy theories that lack proof. Perhaps you should, too.

[Fatstrat]

You mean other than the evidence already given?