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Started by guido911, February 03, 2009, 02:41:04 PM

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rwarn17588

#15
February 04, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Rico

^"Obama ran on "change" and what we got is business as usual."


Guido... Can we take this as an admission of the fact that George was giving us "Business as usual".?

Not George.... Not "Dubyah" Say it ain't so!



While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 ... (snip)


Except for that anthrax thing, of course.

Gaspar

#16
February 04, 2009, 06:40:28 AM
I see this as a good example of a working process.  I'm glad that the President is sticking by his guns.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

cannon_fodder

#17
February 04, 2009, 08:09:22 AM
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Originally posted by rwarn17588


Except for that anthrax thing, of course.


Good call.  They should never have been allowed to tour again.  That band is horrible.
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I crush grooves.

guido911

#18
February 05, 2009, 01:09:06 PM
According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Conan71

#19
February 05, 2009, 01:37:31 PM
So let's see.  Democrats villify rich Republicans and their tax cuts.

Rich Democrats favor raising taxes and concealing income.

You can bet on some high-profile GOP tax audits in the future...

If ever there was a good argument for the fair tax, I'd say our new treasury secretary claiming he couldn't figure out TurboTax might be a good argument for it. (Thanks Sgrizz for that nugget).

I mean think about it, everyone is claiming it's too hard to figure out what they do or don't owe.  Wouldn't it make it a lot simpler to just hit everyone when they spend their money?
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

sgrizzle

#20
February 05, 2009, 02:02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Conan71

So let's see.  Democrats villify rich Republicans and their tax cuts.

Rich Democrats favor raising taxes and concealing income.

You can bet on some high-profile GOP tax audits in the future...

If ever there was a good argument for the fair tax, I'd say our new treasury secretary claiming he couldn't figure out TurboTax might be a good argument for it. (Thanks Sgrizz for that nugget).

I mean think about it, everyone is claiming it's too hard to figure out what they do or don't owe.  Wouldn't it make it a lot simpler to just hit everyone when they spend their money?



I think I got to the bottom of it.

nathanm

#21
February 05, 2009, 02:11:04 PM
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Originally posted by pmcalk


Having said that, the response from Obama is not the usual politics.  With Clinton/Lewinsky, the response was blame the "vast right-wing conspiracy."  Bush apparently never made a mistake.  Obama's response has been "I screwed up."  To me, that is refreshing.

Wasn't the vast right wing conspiracy comment in response to the allegations that the Clintons had Vince Foster and a bunch of other people killed?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

nathanm

#22
February 05, 2009, 02:13:38 PM
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Originally posted by guido911

While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 and was agressive in the WOT, there is no question he made mistakes.

There were at least 5 terrorist attacks on US soil after 9/11. Anthrax, the DC sniper, the happy face mail bomber, shooting up the LA airport, shooting up a mall in Arizona(?..i forget exactly where).

How easily we forget...
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

#23
February 05, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 and was agressive in the WOT, there is no question he made mistakes.

There were at least 5 terrorist attacks on US soil after 9/11. Anthrax, the DC sniper, the happy face mail bomber, shooting up the LA airport, shooting up a mall in Arizona(?..i forget exactly where).

How easily we forget...


Oh whatever. Why not throw in the OU student who blew himself up based on your new definition of terrorism.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

guido911

#24
February 05, 2009, 02:22:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?


Her senate session has been postponed b/o this development:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

we vs us

#25
February 05, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

So let's see.  Democrats villify rich Republicans and their tax cuts.

Rich Democrats favor raising taxes and concealing income.

You can bet on some high-profile GOP tax audits in the future...

If ever there was a good argument for the fair tax, I'd say our new treasury secretary claiming he couldn't figure out TurboTax might be a good argument for it. (Thanks Sgrizz for that nugget).

I mean think about it, everyone is claiming it's too hard to figure out what they do or don't owe.  Wouldn't it make it a lot simpler to just hit everyone when they spend their money?



I think I got to the bottom of it.



It's the Vast Right Wing Photoshop Conspiracy!  OH NOES!!

Conan71

#26
February 05, 2009, 03:27:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?


Her senate session has been postponed b/o this development:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews.



I'll give her a little rope here.  Who's to say that the husband hasn't thought the taxes were incorrect and hasn't paid out of principle in the matter.  Just because there is a lien, doesn't mean the taxing authority got it correct.

I seriously hope all this does shine a light on our complicated tax codes and some reform will be forthcoming, but don't bet on it.  The IRS is a pet bureaucracy.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

guido911

#27
February 05, 2009, 05:41:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?


Her senate session has been postponed b/o this development:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews.



I'll give her a little rope here.  Who's to say that the husband hasn't thought the taxes were incorrect and hasn't paid out of principle in the matter.  Just because there is a lien, doesn't mean the taxing authority got it correct.

I seriously hope all this does shine a light on our complicated tax codes and some reform will be forthcoming, but don't bet on it.  The IRS is a pet bureaucracy.



Come on, it's not the tax code. It's abject failure to play by the rules.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

#28
February 05, 2009, 06:09:04 PM
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Originally posted by guido911


Come on, it's not the tax code. It's abject failure to play by the rules.

Once it gets to the point of a lien, I'd say you're probably correct.

Daschle's car and driver? Eh, I wouldn't have thought to call that "income," so I have to give him a break there. Not that a health care lobbyist should be head of HHS. Though the argument can certainly be made that someone with more than passing familiarity in the field would be best suited for the job.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

#29
February 05, 2009, 06:55:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

quote:
Originally posted by guido911


Come on, it's not the tax code. It's abject failure to play by the rules.

Once it gets to the point of a lien, I'd say you're probably correct.

Daschle's car and driver? Eh, I wouldn't have thought to call that "income," so I have to give him a break there. Not that a health care lobbyist should be head of HHS. Though the argument can certainly be made that someone with more than passing familiarity in the field would be best suited for the job.


Give me a break. The car was property of the firm that employed him, but the salary expense for the driver was directly under his FEIN.  The driver was an employee.  The use of the vehicle and mileage was directly related to his use of that asset.  

It's not rocket science.  He knowingly attempted to ignore this.  

No matter how you juggle it (didn't even categorize it as gift tax), a first year law student could spot this.

He tried to pass it off as an expense covered by his employer, and his employer categorized it as his expense.  

No amount of spin could change this, that's why he is no longer in play.  

Conscious decision to be above the very laws he helped to establish.

I admire President Obama even more for sticking by his guns.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.
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