What Say You Guido?

[Conan71]

Doesn't get much more innocent than a third tri-mester baby:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is telling the National Prayer Breakfast that even though faith too often has been used "as a tool to divide us from one another," there is no religion in the world that is based on hatred.

Obama, in prepared remarks, said, "There is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being."

Obama is also telling the gathering that the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships that he is announcing Thursday won't favor any religious group, or favor religious groups over secular groups.

He says it will help organizations that want to "work on behalf of our communities," without "blurring the line" between church and state.

(Yes, I know probably taking it way out of context, but the irony is pretty juicy don't you think?)

[guido911]

I read that this morning. This guy is so full of sh#t. Remember when he said he would want his daughters punished with a baby. Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

[USRufnex]

yawn... spoken like a true member of the right wing chattering class... per usual, right wing activists care more about the unborn than the health of a mother and the choices she and her doctor can make about that womans own body...

[rwarn17588]

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[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

yawn... spoken like a true member of the right wing chattering class... per usual, right wing activists care more about the unborn than the health of a mother and the choices she and her doctor can make about that womans own body...

Hey member of the left wing idiot class, Obama opposed the Illinois Born Alive Act. You know, the law that required medical care to babies that survived abortion? The baby was no longer in the woman's body. Obama is a liar and hypocrite.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

yawn... spoken like a true member of the right wing chattering class... per usual, right wing activists care more about the unborn than the health of a mother and the choices she and her doctor can make about that womans own body...

Hey member of the left wing idiot class, Obama opposed the Illinois Born Alive Act. You know, the law that required medical care to babies that survived abortion? The baby was no longer in the woman's body. Obama is a liar and hypocrite.

   nope.  Your side has played politics and legal games with a womans RIGHT TO CHOOSE for decades... that Illinois bill was a trojan horse that would have opened the state up to all sorts of shenanegans brought to us by Peter LaBarbera and the activists...       hmmm?  hypocrit?  yeah, that would be someone who doesnt support government spending until its leveraged by george kaiser... you and your ilk should be ashamed.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

yawn... spoken like a true member of the right wing chattering class... per usual, right wing activists care more about the unborn than the health of a mother and the choices she and her doctor can make about that womans own body...

Hey member of the left wing idiot class, Obama opposed the Illinois Born Alive Act. You know, the law that required medical care to babies that survived abortion? The baby was no longer in the woman's body. Obama is a liar and hypocrite.

   nope.  Your side has played politics and legal games with a womans RIGHT TO CHOOSE for decades... that Illinois bill was a trojan horse that would have opened the state up to all sorts of shenanegans brought to us by Peter LaBarbera and the activists...       hmmm?  hypocrit?  yeah, that would be someone who doesnt support government spending until its leveraged by george kaiser... you and your ilk should be ashamed.

Not supporting government spending is being hypocritical? First, what does that have to do with this thread. More importantly, I am not opposed to government spending on projects that help all of us equally and not merely a few. I am firmly against progressive taxation (you know, wealth envy based taxation) and an advocate of the fair tax.

As far as that Trojan horse comment, did you know that the federal government passed a very similar statute to the version shot down by Obama? Probably not.
Anyway, here is a take on Obama's story-telling on the issue:
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html

[Cats Cats Cats]

The difference between the two bills was "A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law."  I personally do not believe that if a child is born that is not viable that it is cruel to keep the baby alive on machines.  President Bush agreed when he was Governor of Texas, except for different reasons.  In Texas the hospitals can pull the plug on an infant they do not deem viable against the parents wishes.

As soon as people stop letting the abortion issue control their voting the quicker change will happen.  It is quite hilarious to see all these people push for Republicans who have made no real changes in abortion policy.  Despite having House, Senate, Supreme Court.  They have too much to lose by actually doing something.  They would lose votes.  If people would stop being stupid and realize that both sides are perfectly content with the status quo because it gets them votes from both sides.

[guido911]

This is an example of what Obama protected by not supporting the Born Alive Act. Some Trojan horse:

http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/570428.html

Effing monsters.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

This is an example of what Obama protected by not supporting the Born Alive Act. Some Trojan horse:

http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/570428.html

Effing monsters.

Um, so you want to make murder more illegal? And here all this time I thought it was already against the law.

[Cats Cats Cats]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

This is an example of what Obama protected by not supporting the Born Alive Act. Some Trojan horse:

http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/570428.html

Effing monsters.

"Should prosecutors file murder charges, they'd have to prove the baby was born alive"

Now if only you didn't have to prove things in court.  I could see how that Act would apply.

[Gaspar]

Curious.  Why is it prosecuted as murder when a pregnant woman is assaulted and loses her baby as a result of the assault, but it's not murder if she chooses to abort her pregnancy?

It would seem to me that the definition of life is simply dictated by the mother rather than the act of birth.

That is without a doubt the ultimate definition of the "power of choice."

Why play games with the definition?  Why not say that mothers are the deciding figure behind life and death.  That's a realistic pro-choice stance.  Stop beating around the bush.  If you want the child, it's a child.  If you don't it's not a child.

It's her body, let her decide.

Amazing the webs we weave...

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Curious.  Why is it prosecuted as murder when a pregnant woman is assaulted and loses her baby as a result of the assault, but it's not murder if she chooses to abort her pregnancy?

Because anti-abortion activists got those laws passed as a wedge to promote exactly the argument you're making.

Personally, I'm not at all for fetus-killing, but I am for a woman to have the right to do what she wishes with her body.

I still think fetus-murder laws are stupid.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Curious.  Why is it prosecuted as murder when a pregnant woman is assaulted and loses her baby as a result of the assault, but it's not murder if she chooses to abort her pregnancy?

Because anti-abortion activists got those laws passed as a wedge to promote exactly the argument you're making.

Personally, I'm not at all for fetus-killing, but I am for a woman to have the right to do what she wishes with her body.

I still think fetus-murder laws are stupid.

I like that.  We're on the same page.  You are honest.
+1

[Cats Cats Cats]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Curious.  Why is it prosecuted as murder when a pregnant woman is assaulted and loses her baby as a result of the assault, but it's not murder if she chooses to abort her pregnancy?

Because anti-abortion activists got those laws passed as a wedge to promote exactly the argument you're making.

Personally, I'm not at all for fetus-killing, but I am for a woman to have the right to do what she wishes with her body.

I still think fetus-murder laws are stupid.

I like that.  We're on the same page.  You are honest.
+1

I think you are reading the book upside down if that just said you were on the same page.  You might not even be reading the right book if you seriously think that there are a ton of people that sit around all day thinking how great it is that people kill all these fetuses through abortion.  "Life of the Mother" isn't a joke like McCain said.  There are seriously problems that can arise.  The late term abortions would be illegal nationally if politicians would concede that life of the Mother makes it legal.  Instead, they keep pushing and it gets voted out.  Because they don't want anything to happen.  This is all we are talking about here is laws.  It makes no difference on people's acts.  They will just have to find an illegal way to do what they want to do.