GloBal Warming Hoax

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

The biggest global warming gas around is water vapor and no one even brings up that.

We aren't digging up water from deep underground where it has been locked away for millions of years and putting it into the atmosphere.

Do you even have critical thinking skills? [:O]

[RecycleMichael]

Sauerkraut don't believe in global warming because he hates Al Gore. Al Gore is a politician. He is a self-appointed spokesperson.

It ain't just the air temperature this winter. Look at the ocean temperature the last decade and you will believe.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Sauerkraut don't believe in global warming because he hates Al Gore. Al Gore is a politician. He is a self-appointed spokesperson.

It ain't just the air temperature this winter. Look at the ocean temperature the last decade and you will believe.

Ocean temp shifts, penguins migrating northward, polar bears drowning, and my kids being born naked still isn't conclusive proof that any climate change is man-made or carbon-based.

[Neptune]

The facts are the facts.  I've stopped fighting this battle.  It's similar to arguing with 911-conspiracy morons, or arguing with a Republican on how the economy should run.

[Gaspar]

Unfortunately in Oklahoma we've been cooling at an alarming rate.  We really need to produce some more CO2.

http://www.co2science.org/data/ushcn/ok/ok.php

[Wilbur]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Earth has been around for approximately 6,000,000,000 years.

Earth has been far hotter and far colder in the past.

Humans have infested this planet for a couple hundred thousand years, give or take a couple hundred thousand more.  We won't make enough significant change on the planet to make any difference.  

Those who think we'll change this planet's temperature to any significant degree believe they/we are more important then we/they really are.

[TheArtist]

The concern isnt whether the earth will survive or not, or even whether we will survive or not. Its not whether its been warmer or colder either. Its how rapid the change will be and what thats going to cost us. Usually there seem to be rapid and dramatic changes during the relatively short "shifting periods" between longer times when the planet has settled into one pattern or another, an "ice age pattern" or an "interglacial". The earth is at a phase in its orbital cycle when we should be on a steady cooling trend coming out of an interglacial, heading towards another glacial period. Its amazing that there is any potential warming at all since the 100,000 year orbital pattern of entire planet should be cooling things.

Already the CO2 is higher than its been in 600,000 years,,, and its gotten that way in a VERY short amount of time. If the green house gasses keep at a high level, the earth will warm to match that level and do so in a short time. There have been times within that 600,000 years where the earth has been warmer than it is now, with a lot less ice, higher sea levels, etc. Yes the planet obviously survived lol. But again we shouldnt be warming at this point, and this rapidly. And during those other warmer times we didnt have cities and hundreds of millions of people we will have to move out of coastal areas. We werent trying to feed, and and have fresh water, for billions during a time of rapid climate change. Not to mention we will have to make sure the critters which we have increasingly shoved into smaller areas and preserves, still have viable areas to live in. We will manage no doubt, but its gonna be costly and there could be some hurting along the way. We could deal with the usual, much slower, global climate change or deal with a rapid shift into a warmer climate.    

Saw some images from one of Japans new satellites that tracks the global production of some green house gasses. It was interesting to see the image of the entire planet and the "hot spots". They showed the area in and around Bejing before and during the Olympics. Before it was a huge red blob showing a lot of greenhouse gasses.  During, when they reduced the amount of cars, factories, old power plants, etc. it was reduced dramatically. They were actually startled at how much of a difference there was. We DO have an impact and you can see it, and it adds up, day after day after day after day...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217190433.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090109115047.htm

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Unfortunately in Oklahoma we've been cooling at an alarming rate.  We really need to produce some more CO2.

http://www.co2science.org/data/ushcn/ok/ok.php

Thanks, that is a super post, but facts are ignored for global warming believers. They like the global warming dogma. Al Gore who has no science degrees is their leader.. The polar ice sheets are growing NOT melting. That Hensen guy of NASA has been doctoring temp. records, he put September's readings in for October and when he got caught he called it a honest mistake, and that was not the only time he doctored temp readings.. if global warming was real there would be no need to doctor temp. records. This winter was one of the coldest ever world-wide parts of Alaska hit -80 below zero as did parts of Russia. Cold temp records were broken all over the planet. The ocean temp has fallen almost a full degree. Snowfall is up all over the globe. I wish the planet was warming up, but sadly there are no facts to support that. A planet growing colder is bad. shorter growing seasons and more heating oil is needed.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Unfortunately in Oklahoma we've been cooling at an alarming rate.  We really need to produce some more CO2.

http://www.co2science.org/data/ushcn/ok/ok.php

Thanks, that is a super post, but facts are ignored for global warming believers. They like the global warming dogma. Al Gore who has no science degrees is their leader.. The polar ice sheets are growing NOT melting. That Hensen guy of NASA has been doctoring temp. records, he put September's readings in for October and when he got caught he called it a honest mistake, and that was not the only time he doctored temp readings.. if global warming was real there would be no need to doctor temp. records. This winter was one of the coldest ever world-wide parts of Alaska hit -80 below zero as did parts of Russia. Cold temp records were broken all over the planet. The ocean temp has fallen almost a full degree. Snowfall is up all over the globe. I wish the planet was warming up, but sadly there are no facts to support that. A planet growing colder is bad. shorter growing seasons and more heating oil is needed.

Would love to see the articles or stories where your getting this info. It seems the general trend has consistantly been that the winters have been getting warmer over the years and decades, and ice cover less. Would not suprise me at all to see a year here and there where one was cooler than the last and we gained some ice. Its hard to imagine consistantly breaking warming and melting records in any scenario.

Plus how do the record cold temps in one place balance out with the record highs in another (Australia for instance)? Plus its not just one month or year its the trends over decades. Also, more snowfall in certain areas is predicted as an indicator of global warming. If the warmer air masses carrying moisture are warmer and have more moisture in the air and say the temp is 27 instead of 25... its still cold enough to snow, its warmer but you will have more snow. Parts of Antarctica are virtually a desert. Gets very little snow because that part gets very little moisture. Parts of Antarctica do get snow from air flows that come from other parts of the globe, if those air masses are warmer and have more moisture and clash with the cold air... more snow... in that area.  

Summer Arctic Sea Ice Expected To Be Among Lowest On Record
ScienceDaily (July 9, 2008)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080709113704.htm

Arctic Sea Ice At Lowest Recorded Level Ever
ScienceDaily (Sep. 16, 2008)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080915162428.htm

Greenland's Glaciers Losing Ice Faster This Year Than Last Year, Which Was Record-setting Itself
ScienceDaily (Dec. 16, 2008)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081215091015.htm

Much Of Antarctica Is Warming More Than Previously Thought
ScienceDaily (Jan. 22, 2009)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090121144049.htm

2008 Global Temperature Ties As Eighth Warmest On Record
ScienceDaily (Jan. 19, 2009) —

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090116163206.htm