Nuclear Power Plants

[Conan71]

9.0 earthquakes don't understand the concept of greed. 

How do you efficiently power a large island with a population of 125 million people with limited natural resources?

Sea walls thought to be able to keep out the tidal waves of the tsunami failed not because of greed but for the same reason this disaster started at the power plant: as a result of the quake, the coast sank a few feet.  Something no one thought of as a possibility.

I wouldn't chalk this up so quickly to greed. 

[Teatownclown]

9.0 earthquakes don't understand the concept of greed. 

How do you efficiently power a large island with a population of 125 million people with limited natural resources?

Sea walls thought to be able to keep out the tidal waves of the tsunami failed not because of greed but for the same reason this disaster started at the power plant: as a result of the quake, the coast sank a few feet.  Something no one thought of as a possibility.

I wouldn't chalk this up so quickly to greed. 

One bad reactor spoiled the entire nuclear apple cart? Not so fast? This one plant was overpowered by greed! Greed can come in many forms. This selfish debacle peered out from poor engineering and bottom lines but not long term safety measures.

Prove that "no one thought of as a possibility." That's a great leap. Certainly, there were plenty of design flaws pointed out over the years. When Diablo becomes the next worldly liability will you once again claim that no one thought? That would be the truth.

Get educated! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-19/japan-s-response-to-reactor-crisis-delayed-by-concern-over-asset-damage.html
"Tokyo Electric Power Co. was reluctant to use seawater to cool one of the six reactors at the plant and hesitated because it was concerned about harming its long-term investment in the plant, the Journal cited people involved with the response as saying."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-nuclear-advocates-try-to-limit-political-impact-of-japan-reactor-crisis/2011/03/17/AB6sr0k_story.html  While decent people of the world are sending money and assistance to the Japanese people in this time of need, US nuke advocates are huddled with their greedy Congressional lackeys to try to figure out how to spin and obfuscate the issue for enough cover to continue to ram nukes down the throats of a skeptical public.

[Townsend]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/01/tepco-recruiting-nuclear-workers-for-up-to-5000-per-day/

TEPCO recruiting nuclear workers for up to $5,000 per day

What would you do for $2,500 a day? How about $5,000 a day? Do you have "a passport, a family willing to let you go", and a "willingness to to work in a radioactive zone"? Then you could have what it takes to work at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, and even become a "jumper", a highly paid individual who rushes into a radioactive area, performs a task, and quickly returns to safety before absorbing a dangerous dose of radioactivity.

[Conan71]

One bad reactor spoiled the entire nuclear apple cart? Not so fast? This one plant was overpowered by greed! Greed can come in many forms. This selfish debacle peered out from poor engineering and bottom lines but not long term safety measures.

Prove that "no one thought of as a possibility." That's a great leap. Certainly, there were plenty of design flaws pointed out over the years. When Diablo becomes the next worldly liability will you once again claim that no one thought? That would be the truth.

Get educated! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-19/japan-s-response-to-reactor-crisis-delayed-by-concern-over-asset-damage.html
"Tokyo Electric Power Co. was reluctant to use seawater to cool one of the six reactors at the plant and hesitated because it was concerned about harming its long-term investment in the plant, the Journal cited people involved with the response as saying."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-nuclear-advocates-try-to-limit-political-impact-of-japan-reactor-crisis/2011/03/17/AB6sr0k_story.html  While decent people of the world are sending money and assistance to the Japanese people in this time of need, US nuke advocates are huddled with their greedy Congressional lackeys to try to figure out how to spin and obfuscate the issue for enough cover to continue to ram nukes down the throats of a skeptical public.

I've said it before and it bears repeating: Man consistently underestimates nature and is over-confident in his ability to overcome nature's wrath.  That's not greed.  That's just not understanding that the worst he's seen plus a 20% safety margin still can't prepare for the worst that nature can dish out.

Arrogance yes.  Penny-pinching, probably.

[Teatownclown]

Penny pinching is greed.

Why is this TEPCO official crying? Meanwhile, it seems TEPCO got the leak (well, one of them anyway) plugged.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_10.html

Also, when was the last time Japan apologized to Korea?  Because they just  did:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_43.html


We do not know anything about tsunamis. We know less about disposal and long term maintenance.

And read this: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/05-4

" The largest concentration is the 20 million people who live within 50 miles from the Indian Point two-nuclear plant complex in Buchanan, New York­ just 28 miles north of the New York City line. A 50-mile evacuation zone for Indian Point would cover all of Manhattan and much of the rest of New York City and Long Island, as well as large portions of Connecticut and New Jersey. The two Indian Point plants have long been troubled, having undergone numerous minor accidents. Moreover, they sit at the intersection of two earthquake faults."

Makes you wonder.

[Teatownclown]

Radiation From Japan's Damaged Nuclear Plant Off the Charts

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2011/2011-04-05-01.html
Dilution by the ocean helps somewhat, but concentration in the food chain hurts us. Overall this is very scary bad news.
Japan will be a desert someday....

[Conan71]

Radiation From Japan's Damaged Nuclear Plant Off the Charts

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2011/2011-04-05-01.html
Dilution by the ocean helps somewhat, but concentration in the food chain hurts us. Overall this is very scary bad news.
Japan will be a desert someday....

While I prefer my fish to not glow, it's not as bad as the no nuke alarmists are making it sound:

"The company says the level of iodine-131 in the wastewater is about 100 times the legal limit. But TEPCO says that if someone were to eat fish and seaweed harvested near the plant every day for a year, that person's radiation exposure would be 0.6 millisieverts. The annual permissible level for the general public is one millisievert."

Of course, this is as long as the company's spokesperson is to be trusted.  I wasn't aware I was allowed an millisieverts.  Cool that's one more thing I learned today.

[sauerkraut]

Japan really has to use nukes, they have no natural resources, but we in the USA have coal and tons of natural gas, I'd favor doing away with nukes and going to clean burning nat. gas. The problems with nukes is if there is a accident no one gives you a straight answer, and we don't know how serious it is or how minor it is- the radioactivy gets in the food chain and milk, Japan has radioactive sea water over 100 miles out from the coast. Japan is the worlds most Quake & Tsunami ready nation and when put to the real test they came up short, the USA is no where as prepaired as Japan was- and we built nuke plants right on fault lines.

[Teatownclown]

You've omitted solar which has enourmous potential....despite Reagan removing them from the White House.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/06/6420859-are-we-entering-the-solar-season
Solar Power May Already Rival Coal, Prompting Installation Surge


The Japanese made a huge mistake not developing solar as their main source of power and as another new horizon for an export giant of solar panels and solar cells.

[dbacks fan]

First Solar to build new plant in US.

http://investor.firstsolar.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=201491&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1540371&highlight=

[Teatownclown]

Oh brother!

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN0624341220110406

UPDATE 2-US officials doubted nuclear safety plans-watchdog
Wed Apr 6, 2011 10:28pm GMT Print | Single Page [-] Text

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  * Internal e-mails showed doubts, watchdog group says
  
  * Doubts contrast with regulators' public confidence-UCS
  
  * NRC officials say UCS misinterprets documents (Rewrites with Nuclear Regulatory Commission response)
  
  By Scott Malone
  
  BOSTON, April 6 (Reuters) - A private U.S. nuclear safety group disclosed a batch of internal emails from the nation's Nuclear Regulatory Commission that it said undercuts officials' recent assertions that U.S. nuclear reactors are prepared for a Fukushima-scale disaster.
  
  But NRC officials disputed the Union of Concerned Scientists' analysis, contending it misunderstood an internal evaluation of nuclear plant safety that started before Japan's nuclear crisis began on March 11.
  
  "While the NRC and the nuclear industry have been reassuring Americans that there is nothing to worry about ... it turns out that privately NRC senior analysts are not so sure," said Edwin Lyman, a UCS nuclear expert.
  
  A spokesman for the U.S. nuclear regulatory body said the UCS misinterpreted a discussion between two departments within the agency, one conducting the NRC's State of the Art Reactor Consequence Analysis of how nuclear plants would respond to accidents, called SOARCA, and the way its senior risk analysts assess plant safety.
  
  The latter group conducts detailed statistical analysis of how plants might respond to crises, while the former only aims to determine what would happen if those responses succeed or fail, NRC spokesman Scott Burnell said.
  
   

[Teatownclown]

Isn't something like 20% or more of the whole country unusable for the next 35 to 100 years.....Imagine That........

[nathanm]

Isn't something like 20% or more of the whole country unusable for the next 35 to 100 years.....Imagine That........

No.

[Teatownclown]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html


The Japanese are going to rate this the worst...7. How much has actually been released no honest person yet knows.

This perfect disaster does not have a solution....it should be a 10

Seemingly, mankind goes from disaster to disaster to disaster. Never ending and accelerating with significantly bigger consequences. One thing about nuclear accidents is that you can't smell the bullsh!t.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703841904576256742249147126.html


Meanwhile, Americans are more concerned about abortion. Bad irony.

[Teatownclown]

   
Fukushima radiation taints US milk supplies at levels 300% higher than EPA maximums


http://www.naturalnews.com/032048_radiation_milk.html


And the daily Ohbummer:

"While Lovera is concerned that agencies like the FDA don't have the resources to provide enough information, Hirsch sees a potential conflict of interest. He is concerned that the US government may be downplaying the dangers of radiation from the Daiichi plant to avoid undermining support for new nuclear projects in the US. He pointed out that the Obama administration has affirmed its commitment to building more nuclear reactors in the US and has urged Congress to approve $54 billion in subsidized loans for new reactors."
http://www.truth-out.org/radiation-detected-milk-air-and-water-america-safe