I have had it with the protestors by the Mayo

[nathanm]

*** I have no researched the conflicts of law in this matter.  Their right to freedom of speech has to be balanced against your right to be free from unreasonable nuisance.  I am not advocating the use of this statute nor advising of the potential for success or possibility of repercussions of any such attempt.  

Next you're going to tell us you aren't a lawyer. 

[Gaspar]

Buy some ear plugs and be true to Democratic core values.

+1 karma for that.

[Gaspar]

Got an idea to solve the problem, flashmob style

They are there because the sidewalk is public and you can't block the public from using the public sidewalk right?

What if it was already in use when they got there?

Tulsa Now Lemonade Stand

[RecycleMichael]

Thanks cannon fodder for the link, but it only showed how the city can declare something a nuisance.

How do I, as a citizen, ask for an investigation and hopeful determination that something is a nuisance?

[Renaissance]

*** I have no researched the conflicts of law in this matter.  Their right to freedom of speech has to be balanced against your right to be free from unreasonable nuisance.  I am not advocating the use of this statute nor advising of the potential for success or possibility of repercussions of any such attempt.  

Heh - that's why I try not to get involved in these legal discussions.

[Hometown]

Michael, I'm glad you use union workers in your home.  You probably even obtain permits and inspections.  That's unusual in this town.  

Now, before you file your complaint I want to ask you to reconsider.  Out of all of the crowd here at TulsaNow I would have pegged you as most likely to end up an elected official in the Democratic Party.  You are a born politician.  Filing your complaint against a local union could easily work against you in the future.

I'd hate to see you diminish the foundation you have laid.

[TURobY]

Would it better if someone called the Mayor's Action Line and filed a complaint that way. Seems the most simple method. Or, simply a call to the non-emergency police line.

Would either of those methods work?

[cannon_fodder]

RM:

I'm afraid I have no additional information.  I just quick ran through the Ordinances and looks it up.  I imagine it would be a call to the city complaint center to report a nuisance - much like you would any other nuisance. 

Have you tried reasoning with them?  Just tell them that they are not helping their cause but rather hurting it by annoying people that might support their cause but-for being unfortunate enough to work nearby.  It couldn't hurt.

[sgrizzle]

Michael, I'm glad you use union workers in your home.  You probably even obtain permits and inspections.  That's unusual in this town.  

Now, before you file your complaint I want to ask you to reconsider.  Out of all of the crowd here at TulsaNow I would have pegged you as most likely to end up an elected official in the Democratic Party.  You are a born politician.  Filing your complaint against a local union could easily work against you in the future.

I'd hate to see you diminish the foundation you have laid.

Remember, it's not a local union that's protesting. Just a drywall contractor from Kansas.

[RecycleMichael]

Michael, I'm glad you use union workers in your home.  You probably even obtain permits and inspections.  That's unusual in this town.  

Now, before you file your complaint I want to ask you to reconsider.  Out of all of the crowd here at TulsaNow I would have pegged you as most likely to end up an elected official in the Democratic Party.  You are a born politician.  Filing your complaint against a local union could easily work against you in the future.

I'd hate to see you diminish the foundation you have laid.

I thank you for the compliment. I think public service is an honorable profession. I don't plan to run for office, but I get asked to all the time. I also consider it to be very flattering.

One of the reasons I could never campaign around here is that I am very liberal. If politics were baseball, I would play left field and stand in foul territory. That is hard to overcome in Oklahoma. Secondly, I have known others who made the transition from activist to candidate and have seen the way others change their view about them.

I also have made many mistakes pissing off other democrats. I have strong opinions and have often helped candidates from the other side of the aisle and the combination has led to some difficulties. I am a democrat, but I am also a communitarian and sometimes (almost never!) the republican is better qualified.

I do worry about the union retaliating against me. Not so much because of some future political career, but more of a concern for my co-workers. It is probably stupid to be the one who complains, but as I said at the start of the thread...I've had it.

Today they brought cow bells to go along with the drum beater. They have crossed the line. Someone has to do something.

We have a right to work in peace and to use the same sidewalk. I would love to talk reason to them, but feel that the guy beating the drum with a club will probably not listen. They have purposely taken these measures to be as obnoxious as possible.

Here is my new question tonight...how can they have a parade of chanting homeless people carrying picket signs when they have no event permit? There is a very clear procedure to get an event permit and they have never applied nor been approved by the city council.

Is this daily protest an event? Can this be an opening for me to get the city to help stop them?

[TheArtist]

I wonder what this drywall company hopes to accomplish?  I wouldnt have known what it was about until Cannon told me. I saw their signs and "Shame On....fill in blank" doesnt tell me a thing and wouldnt stop me from using the particular business. I dont think hardly anyone else knows what its about or cares. Then when you do find out, it just makes the drywall company look stupid. How is this supposed to help them?

[cannon_fodder]

It should be noted that my information comes from speaking to the protesters outside of TU, handouts from the ones downtown, this board, and InsideTulsaSports.com (which had a thread on it on account of the Tulsa protests).  So my word isn't necessarily truth, but it's the best information I have. 

Michael, I will be at the Courthouse today.  If you would like me to I'll talk to the protesters and tell them neighboring businesses (not being protested) do not appreciate the noise.  If they are hostile towards that I will simply ask who is sponsoring them and contact the underlying group. 

I'm a big fan of exhausting all cooperative measures before going to the authorities.

[Hometown]

Michael, your last post tells me you have considered running for office.  We know one thing for sure, Oklahoma needs successful Liberal leadership.  I hope we can convince you to reconsider as time goes along.

Hey, take Cannon up on his offer.  I would guess that Cannnon would not identify you.

I bet he can make a difference.

[TheArtist]

It should be noted that my information comes from speaking to the protesters outside of TU, handouts from the ones downtown, this board, and InsideTulsaSports.com (which had a thread on it on account of the Tulsa protests).  So my word isn't necessarily truth, but it's the best information I have. 

That right there goes to my point.  If someone who has looked for information on whats going on, isnt sure of whats going on.... how is the average person walking or driving by gonna know?  lol Perhaps the owner of the business they are protesting is wearing fur coats and they are protesting animal cruelty? lol Or the owner said a bad word.. SHAME! on them, just SHAME! lol... The majority doesnt know and thus cant possibly care.  I am sure its not affecting the businesses they are protesting, but it does seem to be hurting the little businesses downtown there that had nothing to do with,,, whatever it is they are "shaming".  And making people annoyed with the protesters and whoever is sponsoring them ta boot.

 

[TurismoDreamin]

Give me a little more information. I will file any paperwork needed. Where do I need to look?

See Title 50 of the Oklahoma statute. It outlines all nuisances. I think the part you are interested in is chapter 2 which outlines public nuisances. After reading 50-16, it looks like the cities are allowed to define what is a nuisance by their own standards and laws like that are always tricky because of the broad generalizations.