GOP Texas Gov Hates America, Talks Seceding

[Conan71]

Who has moved out of the country?

You are confused with moving jobs overseas and moving companies. Labor costs in the US are out of sight. Due in no small part to Medical Costs that government picks up in most other countries.

Halliburton moving their corp. HQ to Dubai is one that comes to mind.

[Wilbur]

Who has moved out of the country?

You are confused with moving jobs overseas and moving companies. Labor costs in the US are out of sight. Due in no small part to Medical Costs that government picks up in most other countries.

".... medical costs that government picks up in most other countries."  You talk as if government medical costs are somehow free to the taxpayer.  Just who is it that pays for that medical costs?

[swake]

".... medical costs that government picks up in most other countries."  You talk as if government medical costs are somehow free to the taxpayer.  Just who is it that pays for that medical costs?

Where did I say healthcare was free to the taxpayer?

It's a difference in the cost of doing business from a labor cost standpoint vs other countries. no matter who you think should pay for it our current system is an employer/employee payer system and thus hits our cost of labor in a negative way.

And as for Haliburton, they are still a US company based in Houston and the CEO's moving to Dubai might just might have more to do with the lack of an extradition treaty with Dubai than anything else.

[Conan71]

And as for Haliburton, they are still a US company based in Houston and the CEO's moving to Dubai might just might have more to do with the lack of an extradition treaty with Dubai than anything else.

Come on now Swake, that's a little tinfoil hattish, don't you think?

[we vs us]

Come on now Swake, that's a little tinfoil hattish, don't you think?

Oh, I dunno.  At the very least the political climate has changed for the worse for them here in the States.  Aside from losing some preferential business relationships, they got a boatload of bad PR over the last 8 years (don't ask little ole liberal me; ask the GIs returning from Iraq).  I wouldn't be surprised if they're looking for a new start in another corner of the world.

[Hometown]

Talk of Seceding is an incitement to rebellion pure and simple.  It's called sedition and it creates a sense of permission to commit acts of violence against the Federal Government officials and employees.  This kind of irresponsible talk leads to tragedies like Waco, Ruby Ridge and the OKC Federal Building Bombing.

Texas' governor should be arrested.

Republicans apparently didn't get the wake up call to move back towards the center.  All they have left are the religious nuts and the radical fringe of what was many years ago a Grand Old Party.

[Wilbur]

Talk of Seceding is an incitement to rebellion pure and simple.  It's called sedition and it creates a sense of permission to commit acts of violence against the Federal Government officials and employees.  This kind of irresponsible talk leads to tragedies like Waco, Ruby Ridge and the OKC Federal Building Bombing.

Texas' governor should be arrested.

Republicans apparently didn't get the wake up call to move back towards the center.  All they have left are the religious nuts and the radical fringe of what was many years ago a Grand Old Party.

You'll need to add the Oklahoma legislature to that list of arrestees.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0409/613607.html

[we vs us]

You'll need to add the Oklahoma legislature to that list of arrestees.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0409/613607.html

To be fair, that's not really talk of secession. 

[waterboy]

See, I told you it makes my head hurt. 

Yes their are a "myriad of factors."

Yes their are many ways of manipulating price structure.

But at the end of the day, if you increase the cost of doing business, you increase the price of the product.  That increase may come in the form of a higher price, less service, cheaper manufacturing, restricted availability or distribution, reduced labor force (layoffs), slower development, or increased prices on ancillary products or accessories.

Ultimately the consumer pays.  Sorry, but that's the way economics works.

I'm sorry that you're sorry. But you are wrong. A sales tax is passed right through. It is collected by the business and sent along to the govt. So, you can retain your dignity by claiming that an increase in taxes is merely paid by the consumer. However, when it comes to taxes that are levied anywhere else in the process, there is simply no way you can argue that consumers pay all tax increases. Otherwise just get rid of efficiency experts, marketing research, focus groups, coupons, rebates, sales etc. and just price your product where your company makes the amount of money it needs to keep its executives well paid and its labor force working.

Raise the corporate level to 75% and prices will not be much affected for large corporations. They will accumulate a MYRIAD of ways to keep from paying that tax rate. They did in the 60's and they'll do it now. They will lobby, defer, deduct and deceive in order to lower their effective tax outlay. Any one of them that instead relies on passing those costs to the consumer or resorting to your list of draconian "golden age" solutions will not last long in the market place.

Your headach is the result of inhaling your own gas fumes.

[waterboy]

To be fair, that's not really talk of secession. 

No its simply an exercise in using public dollars to do political posturing rather than facing real threats to prosperity and the Union. I guess the flag desecration laws are passe' now. There are lots of other good reasons to arrest those boobs.

[TeeDub]

...and just price your product where your company makes the amount of money it needs to keep its executives well paid and its labor force working.

That is exactly what businesses do.

Cox raised it rates last month by about $7 on cable and $7 on internet?   Why?   Yup, to satisfy the demands of shareholders.

Banks are upping the percentage rates on your credit cards?   Why?   To make more money for shareholders.

Ultimately the company is beholden to the shareholder to turn a profit...   Any extra expense must be offset somewhere, and once the you have cut all the fat (effeciency expert, etc) then it comes time to raise prices.

[Conan71]

No its simply an exercise in using public dollars to do political posturing rather than facing real threats to prosperity and the Union.

That's pretty much what earmarks are as well that people are sick of...

[USRufnex]

Now Gaspar, quit spreading untruths!  You wouldn't want people to think you were a dumbass Republican.

But you are forgetting that corporations are evil and need to be taxed to punish them for proving jobs and making money.  

Something like that . . .

Nope, CF.  Never said that.  Never will.  Strangely enough, these days I think we have a consensus of dems and repubs alike who believe corporations need to be punished for NOT providing jobs and NOT making money, rather than simply being bailed out because they're "too big to fail."

Who once said, "The trouble with capitalism is capitalists. They're too greedy" ?

I'll give you a hint.  It wasn't Obama or Clinton or FDR.

Here's one for ya, Conan... only a week removed from Easter.... from Senator Franken...

Al Franken's SUPPLY SIDE JESUS: An animated comic strip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7gI5lMB7M



 

[FOTD]

YOU DA MAN RUF!

[swake]

Come on now Swake, that's a little tinfoil hattish, don't you think?

Is it?

This is a company with going on a billion dollars in federal fines in the last few years that now has a much more hostile White House and AGs office to deal with.

Halliburton has been proven to be a very dirty company, and that was while Bush/Cheney were IN the White House. What's going to be found now? They currently have the KBR/Nigeria thing going on as detailed below, a Justice Department probe into dealings with Iran and an FBI probe into overcharging in for work in Iraq. And those are just the big ones. The former CEO of the Halliburton subsidiary KBR pled guilty to federal bribery charges just a few months ago in the Nigeria scandal. Who's to say at this point that investigation will end with him?

http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3386%3Abreaking-news-uk-arrest-in-halliburton-bribe-case&Itemid=298

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012602374.html

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/Story?id=2943017&page=2


It doesn't take a tinfoil hat to think that any one of these investigations might end up with charges to Halliburton execs.