President Pantywaste Strikes Again

[guido911]

This thread began with Obama doing nothing as that communist Ortega blasted this country. Only wevus has attempted to defend Obama's cowardice in not doing anything in response as a true leader of this country would do. Incidentally, Ortega was not attacking Bush, he was attacking Clinton, Carter, Reagan and every person in this country. As for Obama's defenders, I expected RW would think that Obama's coziness/lovefest with a communist and a socialist would be "trivial", but I expect more from the man that, according to Biden, has "steel in his spine."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RzGTbfcL3w

[Cats Cats Cats]

I am confused to what the response should have been and what would it have gained us?

[we vs us]

This thread began with Obama doing nothing as that communist Ortega blasted this country. Only wevus has attempted to defend Obama's cowardice in not doing anything in response as a true leader of this country would do. Incidentally, Ortega was not attacking Bush, he was attacking Clinton, Carter, Reagan and every person in this country. As for Obama's defenders, I expected RW would think that Obama's coziness/lovefest with a communist and a socialist would be "trivial", but I expect more from the man that, according to Biden, has "steel in his spine."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RzGTbfcL3w

I think you're hyperventilating.  I also think that at this point you're just throwing smile against the wall to see if it sticks. 

In follow up questioning, Obama was asked about his response to Chavez:

"Obama dismissed such concerns. He said the 2008 presidential campaign proved that American voters want the president to engage with his counterparts, whether or not they are avowed friends of the U.S.

He said it "was a nice gesture to give me a book. I'm a reader." The president added that the election was a referendum of sorts on the argument that U.S. solicitude toward foreign leaders could be seen as "weakness."

"The American people didn't buy it," Obama said. "And there's a good reason the American people didn't buy it, because it doesn't make sense."

And he's exactly right.  I'd have been appalled if he'd stormed out of any of those encounters. The kind of oversensitivity and general huffiness you seem to expect of our CiC is completely counterintiuitive to functioning diplomacy.  It might actually be one of the reasons that Bush's foreign relations were such a dismal failure.

If you're looking for power relationships that are ruled entirely by the sword, allow me to direct you to the warlord state of Somalia, where the number of AK-47s you've got stashed relates directly to the influence you can wield. 

[guido911]

"Obama dismissed such concerns. He said the 2008 presidential campaign proved that American voters want the president to engage with his counterparts, whether or not they are avowed friends of the U.S.

Really, Americans elected Obama so he would sit idly and listen to a thug hammer them. I guess Bush fatigue, the economy, or even the war in Iraq had nothing to do with his being elected.

As for the hyperbole in the conclusion to your last post and your being "appalled", where were you (or how appalled were you) when Charlie Rangel publicly ripped Chavez over his attack on Bush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX1lBOxoJeU&feature=related

Rangel was right to respond to Chavez, Obama should be as courageous.

As for what he should have done? How about saying "Americans are not terrorists". How about saying "America has sent its soldiers and money to aid central America". Hey, what about "I disagree with Ortega". Nope, we get more of the "it's all about me" crap.

[guido911]

I am confused to what the response should have been and what would it have gained us?

Oh, I don't know, maybe a response similar to what was issued today re: Iran's leader's anti-Israel rant today.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.f6a7492655c21f479cbd21b7c1d1c12c.801&show_article=1

Accuse Americans of terrorism? Good

Accuse Israelis of being most cruel and racist regime?  Bad

[Cats Cats Cats]

Oh, I don't know, maybe a response similar to what was issued today re: Iran's leader's anti-Israel rant today.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.f6a7492655c21f479cbd21b7c1d1c12c.801&show_article=1

Accuse Americans of terrorism? Good

Accuse Israelis of being most cruel and racist regime?  Bad

So Obama should have left the meeting and not speak.  I thought these colors didn't run? 

[FOTD]

Really, Americans elected Obama so he would sit idly and listen to a thug hammer them. I guess Bush fatigue, the economy, or even the war in Iraq had nothing to do with his being elected.

As for the hyperbole in the conclusion to your last post and your being "appalled", where were you (or how appalled were you) when Charlie Rangel publicly ripped Chavez over his attack on Bush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX1lBOxoJeU&feature=related

Rangel was right to respond to Chavez, Obama should be as courageous.

As for what he should have done? How about saying "Americans are not terrorists". How about saying "America has sent its soldiers and money to aid central America". Hey, what about "I disagree with Ortega". Nope, we get more of the "it's all about me" crap.

For you wingnutians....

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/1006696.html

"But senior U.S. officials cautioned that an upgrade in the relationship -- such as a return of both countries' ambassadors -- would depend on a new tone from Chávez after the summit. U.S. officials say the ''bigger indications'' may be a move by Chávez to make it easier for U.S. diplomats to get visas to get into Venezuela, as well as a toning down of anti-American rhetoric."

''President Chávez has been trying to reach out to President Obama over the last day,'' said Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough. ``But I know that President Obama recognizes that a smile and a handshake are not enough to indicate a new relationship. There will be bigger indications on whether Venezuela wants a new relationship.''

further...''Given what the president is saying about dialogue with these countries, dialogue has obviously helped when ambassadors are in place,''

farther..."In a plenary meeting later in the day, Chávez told the presidents that ''at least Obama listens and takes notes,'' (stab at the previous US monsters?)


Sample Galeano, the Great Writer Hugo Chavez introduced Obama to . . . http://www.progressive.org/mag_galeano0408

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904200032?f=cf_clips    

Obviously, our Prez is being stalked....bunch of zeros trying to make a mountain out of a handshake.

[guido911]

So Obama should have left the meeting and not speak.  I thought these colors didn't run? 

Did you even read what I suggested he should have done? Jeez. Once again:

How about saying "Americans are not terrorists". How about saying "America has sent its soldiers and money to aid central America". Hey, what about "I disagree with Ortega". He also could have delivered a similar rebuke that he gave Iran.

According to Obama, its no big deal:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/20/2009-04-20_antius_tirades_no_big_deal_sez_obama.html

Well it is to me it is a big deal. As I have stated, I spent time in Honduras (you know, Nicaragua's neighbor) helping poor villagers when Ortega had his Sandinista government and for my and the hundreds of others in my unit trouble we get called terrorists. Many on this forum simply have no clue or understanding as to the contributions made by Americans to that part of the world, perhaps because they were out community organizing rather than community saving.

[Cats Cats Cats]

I thought younwere referring to the fact they walked out.  I don't even know why they released a statement other than to clarify why they walked out.  I find this political say something just to say it pointless.  But some statements could have been said to the contrary officialy.  Luckily though there is one more thing for you to complain about and long for the eutopian years from 2000-2008 when the world made sense.

[FOTD]

Did you even read what I suggested he should have done? Jeez. Once again:

How about saying "Americans are not terrorists". How about saying "America has sent its soldiers and money to aid central America". Hey, what about "I disagree with Ortega". He also could have delivered a similar rebuke that he gave Iran.

According to Obama, its no big deal:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/20/2009-04-20_antius_tirades_no_big_deal_sez_obama.html

Well it is to me it is a big deal. As I have stated, I spent time in Honduras (you know, Nicaragua's neighbor) helping poor villagers when Ortega had his Sandinista government and for my and the hundreds of others in my unit trouble we get called terrorists. Many on this forum simply have no clue or understanding as to the contributions made by Americans to that part of the world, perhaps because they were out community organizing rather than community saving.

1) you should not take things personally
2) you're running up your bad karma number on purpose...aren't you?
3) should you want transfer some over to me, be free.

[guido911]

1) you should not take things personally
2) you're running up your bad karma number on purpose...aren't you?
3) should you want transfer some over to me, be free.

Again, as I have repeatedly stated, I do not care about karma. Personally, those that do care what others think about them or those that get off on giving people bad karma have the problem. It's like, "I'll show Guido, I'll check the disagree box."

As for taking stuff personally, Ortega will not give me a platform to refute blatant lies about our country. Obama had both a platform and opportunity to stand up for this country and refused. 

[USRufnex]

I remember a certain president who'd been in office about 6 months who met with Vladimir Putin...

"I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul."





Saturday, 16 June, 2001, 23:09 GMT 00:09 UK
Bush and Putin: Best of friends
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1392791.stm







Then there's my personal favorite......






http://www.gregpalast.com/george-of-arabia-better-kiss-your-abe-goodbye/



The president is also our chief diplomat... at the beginning of his term, Obama's being..... well..... very diplomatic... as opposed to the multitude of mixed signals given by his predecessor... President "Bring them on" Bush.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick."

We'll see....

[guido911]

Hey soccer, unless you too have worn the uniform of this country and been under fire, don't you dare call anyone out for not serving. Anyway, last I checked, Obama never served and Biden was himself a draft dodger.

Probably not a good idea to post photos of Bush's blunders with foreign dignataries. You on the left have 8 years worth of photos of Bush. These are from just the first three months:







And who can forget this moment on Leno:



Oh, and nice attempt at changing the subject in this thread.

[FOTD]

Gleedoe, iPLAW left you his karma .....didn't he?

[waterboy]

How long Lord? How long must we endure, "if you didn't wear the uniform you can't say anything about the military or those who did"?

Please smite anyone who uses that tired old bumper sticker philosophy. I'll give up all my karma if you will.