Say No To Hate Legislation

[FOTD]

This never happened. So, why should we worry about it ever occurring?

[Conan71]

FOTD, if you feel it's needed so you can feel better about yourself, so be it.  What teeth does this law have, and how is it any more of a deterrent than the death penalty?  That's been an obvious failure as a deterrent to sociopaths and psychopaths.

We've got far more pressing issues than pure politics right now.

[guido911]

FOTD, if you feel it's needed so you can feel better about yourself, so be it.  What teeth does this law have, and how is it any more of a deterrent than the death penalty?  That's been an obvious failure as a deterrent to sociopaths and psychopaths.

We've got far more pressing issues than pure politics right now.

Yeah, like the potential for furloughs of Tulsa employees, for which aox scolded all of us for not making more of a big deal of sooner.

[custosnox]

This never happened. So, why should we worry about it ever occurring?

This is something that happened in 1921, 88 years ago.  Yes, it was a horrible moment in our history. No, we should not forget about it. However, in the time since, the world has changed.  It's time we start being accountable for our own actions, not the actions of those that are either dead, or will be before too long.

[Conan71]

This is something that happened in 1921, 88 years ago.  Yes, it was a horrible moment in our history. No, we should not forget about it. However, in the time since, the world has changed.  It's time we start being accountable for our own actions, not the actions of those that are either dead, or will be before too long.

Interesting though, FOTD doesn't mind a foreign policy that coddles asshat dictators who deny the holocaust ever happened:

[FOTD]

GOP Hysterical Over Hate Crimes Bill Because It Would Protect Gay People


"Apparently unbeknownst to House Republicans, a federal hate crimes law already exists: Passed in 1968, it allowed federal investigation and prosecution of hate crimes based on race, religion, and national origin. The new law would simply add sexual orientation and gender identity to the protected groups, and allow local governments to get needed resources from the federal government for investigations and prosecutions."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/29/hate-crimes-hysteria/


Any of you know anybody murdered because they were gay?

[Cats Cats Cats]

I do not think that the punishment should be harsher for a "hate crime" and you could have the exact same issue in Federal Court.  But it would seem some States would be more prone to things like the following than others.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/04/news/gay-rights-groups-hail-defeat-of-judge-in-texas.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss  

"Gay rights advocates in Texas are celebrating the defeat of a judge who was censured in 1989 after he gave a convicted murderer a light sentence and later said in several interviews that he had done so because the victims were homosexuals."

Now the people could have been killed in a Non-Hate Crime and the same outcome would have happened.  This law might have changed the killers sentences.  But it could have happened the exact opposite way.  They could have been lighter.  Hopefully we are past the days when people would not be charged for Murder based on their sexual orientation.  But I can still see it happening.

[Conan71]

GOP Hysterical Over Hate Crimes Bill Because It Would Protect Gay People


"Apparently unbeknownst to House Republicans, a federal hate crimes law already exists: Passed in 1968, it allowed federal investigation and prosecution of hate crimes based on race, religion, and national origin. The new law would simply add sexual orientation and gender identity to the protected groups, and allow local governments to get needed resources from the federal government for investigations and prosecutions."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/29/hate-crimes-hysteria/


Any of you know anybody murdered because they were gay?

Do you know anyone killed by an idiot drunk driver?  Why is one life more valuable in your books than another?

[FOTD]

Do you know anyone killed by an idiot drunk driver?  Why is one life more valuable in your books than another?

Premeditated as opposed to reckless.

Alcohol should be illegal too.....or, legalize all drugs.

[Conan71]

Premeditated as opposed to reckless.

Again, why is one life worth more than another?

[Townsend]

Again, why is one life worth more than another?

Have you looked around at the Tulsa state fair?

I kid, I kid

[Gaspar]

Have you looked around at the Tulsa state fair?

I kid, I kid

SMACK! 
+1

You don't even need to ride the rides.  Just find a nice cozy bench without fried candy bar drippings on it.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Again, why is one life worth more than another?

Why is one life worth less than another?


"defeat of a judge who was censured in 1989 after he gave a convicted murderer a light sentence and later said in several interviews that he had done so because the victims were homosexuals."

But I see your point, anybody who causes the death of another whether it be accidental or premeditated should be charged with the exact same charge with the same penalty.

[TeeDub]

Last time I checked...  Murder is illegal no matter what the person's race, sex, color, sexual orientation, cup size, hair color (or lack thereof, or whether they gave good head.


Why make murder illegal-er?

I still have yet to see even an attempt to explain to me why a crime needs to be illegal-er when it happens to someone special.

[FOTD]

Last time I checked...  Murder is illegal no matter what the person's race, sex, color, sexual orientation, cup size, hair color (or lack thereof, or whether they gave good head.


Why make murder illegal-er?

I still have yet to see even an attempt to explain to me why a crime needs to be illegal-er when it happens to someone special.

Already is....see above. House bill already enacted. This is a modification.