Jesse Ventura's take on torture

[Hoss]

Tip of the hat goes to Erich "Mancow" Muller, who was one of the waterboarding apologists.  Instead of floundering about, he sacked up and volunteered to be waterboarded to determine for himself whether or not it's torture (at least his opinion).  Watch:

In reaction to this, Keith Olbermann put his money where his mouth was (albeit not for the same person) and donated $10,000 to Veterans of Valor on Mancow's behalf.  Not only that, he had Muller on his show Tuesday night to discuss the experience.

Hannity?

Crickets....

[MH2010]

Tip of the hat goes to Erich "Mancow" Muller, who was one of the waterboarding apologists.  Instead of floundering about, he sacked up and volunteered to be waterboarded to determine for himself whether or not it's torture (at least his opinion).  Watch:

In reaction to this, Keith Olbermann put his money where his mouth was (albeit not for the same person) and donated $10,000 to Veterans of Valor on Mancow's behalf.  Not only that, he had Muller on his show Tuesday night to discuss the experience.

Hannity?
Crickets....

It makes me laugh when someone volunteers to get waterboarded to prove it is/isn't torture.  If you're willing to freely volunteer for it then it's not torture.

[rwarn17588]

It makes me laugh when someone volunteers to get waterboarded to prove it is/isn't torture.  If you're willing to freely volunteer for it then it's not torture.

Huh?

Mancow was testing to see whether the method was torture, based on his observations. His conclusion was an emphatic "yes."

[MH2010]

Well then myself and other officers  "Crossfit" sometimes.  Go ahead and mark that as torture also.

www.crossfit.com

[Hoss]

It makes me laugh when someone volunteers to get waterboarded to prove it is/isn't torture.  If you're willing to freely volunteer for it then it's not torture.

Is that like saying if I freely submit to having someone shoot me with the stun bags, that it won't hurt?

That's ridiculous.  There are already several from both sides of the aisle stating that this IS torture.  Didn't Bush once tell the world that the US did not torture?

[Conan71]

...and I think we already knew this was torture.  What is this foobared up obsession with waterboarding.  Fine, quit waterboarding terrorist douches and go back to simply beating the smile out of them.

[guido911]

...and I think we already knew this was torture.  What is this foobared up obsession with waterboarding.  Fine, quit waterboarding terrorist douches and go back to simply beating the smile out of them.

This whole thing is not about waterboarding. This is about the left seeking revenge against evil Bush and Cheney. If the left was truly concerned about torture and abusive detainee practices, you would hear them crying loudly about the carrying out of rendition and the continuation of military tribunals. Crickets because it's okay when Obama does it.

Here's my point, Obama's own director of national intelligence has stated that EIT resulted in obtaining high level information and a deeper understanding of al Qa'ida. 

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/2009-04-16-dni-memo-to-workforce-sl_004151.pdf

Those folks so faux outraged over EIT would rather have innocent Americans die than rough up a few (remember, only 3 were waterboarded and one caterpillered) mass murdering terrorists.

[FOTD]

This whole thing is not about waterboarding. This is about the left seeking revenge against evil Bush and Cheney. If the left was truly concerned about torture and abusive detainee practices, you would hear them crying loudly about the carrying out of rendition and the continuation of military tribunals.

It's about truth, justice and the American way. Us dems don't want revenge. We want our decency and our honor restored. We would prefer this all just go away so we can fix the demise of our world status. Ain't gonna happen if repiglican wing nuts have their way and continue to push the issue on us with Darth Cheenie leading their disruption. How much further are they going to get to continue to ruin this country to gain attention for their potty?


You have no integrity.....

E.J. Dionne: Obama's 'establishment' offers promise, if it stays realistic
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/1889024.html

"For the left, Cheney's outlandish explosion was a reminder of how much better Obama is than the guys who came before.....The far right is being isolated, and Republicans are simply lost. Obama's political and substantive gifts are undeniable."

[Conan71]

It's about truth, justice and the American way. Us dems don't want revenge. We want our decency and our honor restored. We would prefer this all just go away so we can fix the demise of our world status. Ain't gonna happen if repiglican wing nuts have their way and continue to push the issue on us with Darth Cheenie leading their disruption. How much further are they going to get to continue to ruin this country to gain attention for their potty?


You have no integrity.....

E.J. Dionne: Obama's 'establishment' offers promise, if it stays realistic
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/1889024.html

"For the left, Cheney's outlandish explosion was a reminder of how much better Obama is than the guys who came before.....The far right is being isolated, and Republicans are simply lost. Obama's political and substantive gifts are undeniable."

We want a perception of decency and honor from people who cut off heads of American journalists, smash gun butts into the heads of Jewish children, put captured U.S. servicemen through unspeakable horrors?  They don't give two sh!ts about our sense of decency and they place zero honor on us and that's not due to our treatment of their combatants.  The reason we have no respect from Muslim terrorists is our relationship with Israel and our attempt to control the Middle East.  I could care less if horse piss-drinking Frenchmen are upset about our methods of interrogating asshats.

[FOTD]

We want a perception of decency and honor from people who cut off heads of American journalists, smash gun butts into the heads of Jewish children, put captured U.S. servicemen through unspeakable horrors?  They don't give two sh!ts about our sense of decency and they place zero honor on us and that's not due to our treatment of their combatants.  The reason we have no respect from Muslim terrorists is our relationship with Israel and our attempt to control the Middle East.  I could care less if horse piss-drinking Frenchmen are upset about our methods of interrogating asshats.

Shocking how totally out of perspective you see things.

[guido911]

Shocking how totally out of perspective you see things.

Translation: Conan, you are making too much sense and I have no rebuttal.

[Conan71]

Shocking how totally out of perspective you see things.

Forget former VP Cheney if you are worried about our world image.  He's been out of office for over four months now.  You need to start worrying about President Obama capitulating while telling half-truths to placate the bed-wetting peaceniks. 

[guido911]

Mancow faked it for the pub?

http://gawker.com/5271813/did-erich-mancow-muller-fake-his-waterboarding-for-publicity

[Hoss]

We want a perception of decency and honor from people who cut off heads of American journalists, smash gun butts into the heads of Jewish children, put captured U.S. servicemen through unspeakable horrors?  They don't give two sh!ts about our sense of decency and they place zero honor on us and that's not due to our treatment of their combatants.  The reason we have no respect from Muslim terrorists is our relationship with Israel and our attempt to control the Middle East.  I could care less if horse piss-drinking Frenchmen are upset about our methods of interrogating asshats.

How do you justify a wrong with another one?  Especially since we prosecuted Japanese war criminals for doing this.  Should we prosecute our own if we know about it?

It smacks of double-standard, doesn't it?  When a top general says stopping the 'EIT' and closing Gitmo will help the US, how do you resolve what people like Hannity and Jabba the Rush are saying?

[Cats Cats Cats]

...and I think we already knew this was torture.  What is this foobared up obsession with waterboarding.  Fine, quit waterboarding terrorist douches and go back to simply beating the smile out of them.

Does this mean you are against being waterboarded with Marshall's Beer?