Holly Corporate Welfare!

[FOTD]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_16_A9_OKLAHO300705


Ever wonder why the air in Tulsa sucks? 400 employees, "high paying" whatever that means, get the gold while the rest the town continues to get the crud.

Don't you just love the cost benefit analysis our Chamber conducts prior to further deterrence to our quality of life? 400 jobs that supersede the attempt to lure business from outside Tulsa based on what we have to offer and it's certainly not based on quality education, quality jobs and quality environment. No wonder our kids want out of this stink hole. The Chamber and our State Reps don't have much faith in Tulsa's future to be funding with tax dollars bad air for "high paying" jobs.

Corporate welfare is not a Chamber, State nor GOP concern...... hand outs and not hand ups!

[TeeDub]

You think that is bad?

Try out this little government funded gem!
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_17_A1_MaryBa698839

[FOTD]

You think that is bad?

Try out this little government funded gem!
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_17_A1_MaryBa698839

THERE'S A BIG DIFF! What are you TooDumb or TeeDub?

One is a hand out to a corporate polluter and one's a hand up to the needy.

You are a creep!

[TeeDub]

I love how you immediately resort to name calling.


Let's be honest, both of those programs are people taking our hard earned tax dollars and give us no benefit in return.
I honestly don't see how you can condemn only one of them.

[PepePeru]

I love how you immediately resort to name calling.


Let's be honest, both of those programs are people taking our hard earned tax dollars and give us no benefit in return.
I honestly don't see how you can condemn only one of them.

I'd rather see tax dollars spent on health care than corporate welfare.

I don't think this deal would go south if Holly didn't get their incentives.

Seems to me they got that refinery at a fire sale price....65 mil?

[Conan71]

I'd rather see tax dollars spent on health care than corporate welfare.

I don't think this deal would go south if Holly didn't get their incentives.

Seems to me they got that refinery at a fire sale price....65 mil?

Saves Sunoco about a billion or so $$ on a clean up that would never end.

I don't understand the mind-set of Tulsans.  We get pissed when jobs leave town, we get pissed when the city, state, or feds try to help some good paying jobs come here or stay here. 

[guido911]

Saves Sunoco about a billion or so $$ on a clean up that would never end.

I don't understand the mind-set of Tulsans.  We get pissed when jobs leave town, we get pissed when the city, state, or feds try to help some good paying jobs come here or stay here. 

It's not Tulsans per se, it's anti-capitalists that want "welfare" to go to those folks that do nothing to move the economy forward. Hey FOTD and PePe, are you hiring right now? Last I heard welfare recipients have a hiring freeze right now.

[FOTD]

It's not Tulsans per se, it's anti-capitalists that want "welfare" to go to those folks that do nothing to move the economy forward. Hey FOTD and PePe, are you hiring right now? Last I heard welfare recipients have a hiring freeze right now.

What? You guess too much Guido.

Unemployment is at %16 and you consider helping others as UnAmerican or welfare.

Ethics and generosity versus no taxes for the poor and the less fortunate but for banks and corporations?

The only freeze right now Guido is bank lending...looks like Paulson's plan is a big fat "F"...

[Conan71]

What? You guess too much Guido.

Unemployment is at %16 and you consider helping others as UnAmerican or welfare.

Ethics and generosity versus no taxes for the poor and the less fortunate but for banks and corporations?

The only freeze right now Guido is bank lending...looks like Paulson's plan is a big fat "F"...

Uh, Hank checked out Jan. 20, or did you miss that?  Timmay Geithner was supposed to change all this.  What's the saying "Hope in one hand, sh!t in the other, see which fills up first."  All we've gotten from Geithner is a palm full of sh!t so far.

When did unemployment shoot up to 16%?  Are you counting all the people not actively seeking work like people did during 3.8% UE under President Bush so they could spear him?

[FOTD]

Uh, Hank checked out Jan. 20, or did you miss that?  Timmay Geithner was supposed to change all this.  What's the saying "Hope in one hand, sh!t in the other, see which fills up first."  All we've gotten from Geithner is a palm full of sh!t so far.

When did unemployment shoot up to 16%?  Are you counting all the people not actively seeking work like people did during 3.8% UE under President Bush so they could spear him?

Here. Let me help educate you....

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/05/real-unemployment-at-record-high.html

further.

[PepePeru]

Saves Sunoco about a billion or so $$ on a clean up that would never end.

I don't understand the mind-set of Tulsans.  We get pissed when jobs leave town, we get pissed when the city, state, or feds try to help some good paying jobs come here or stay here. 

There is obviously an incentive for Holly to purchase the refinery.  Its called profit.

If the goal is to continue refining operations, then they need people working there to keep it running. 

Incentive to "save jobs" my ***

[Conan71]

Here. Let me help educate you....

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/05/real-unemployment-at-record-high.html

further.

As suspected:

"Line U6 of that same report, however, gives a more accurate picture of the state of unemployment. This rate stands at 15.8% for April 2009, up from 8.9% a year earlier. (All the info comes from the BLS website)."

16%, that's change I can believe in!  Damn Busheviks!

[FOTD]

As suspected:

"Line U6 of that same report, however, gives a more accurate picture of the state of unemployment. This rate stands at 15.8% for April 2009, up from 8.9% a year earlier. (All the info comes from the BLS website)."

16%, that's change I can believe in!  Damn Busheviks!

That torturous administration lied all through the past 8 years and you just refuse to believe they purposely skewed the numbers to help in the November elections. Didn't work, Conehead. The numbers of unemployed precipitate from too heavy of a deceptive cloud.

[Gaspar]

Conan,
You've been FOTD'd.

[Conan71]

Conan,
You've been FOTD'd.

Call Whine One One and get me a Whaaaambulance!

Uh, FOTARD how about that deceptive Obama Admin only copping to 8.9% then?  Dip-smile