Domestic Right Wing Terrorists!

[heironymouspasparagus]

If? Can you read?

You'd run from the Black Panthers if they were engaged in this terror. And you'd call them lefties...you would not call them anarchists.

Both extreme left and extreme right exist and are potentially dangerous threats.  I had a job in the 70's where I interfaced with both sides from the furthest radical extremes of both ends.  Black Panthers were around then and were dangerous - at least nationally - even had an office in one of the buildings on the west side of the street in the Greenwood District in Tulsa - about halfway up the block from Archer.  

Revolutionary Communist Party had a small contingent in town.  They were recruiting people to help them get guns for the Iranian revolution that finally occurred in 1979 - took over our embassy - got a movie about it now....  Jewish Defense League was busy in town at the time trying to counter those efforts.  Both sides were willing to pay good money for people to go there and 'help' - be mercenaries.

Then you had the standard bunch of wackos that we are seeing pop up again - in the last election!  That guy running for office from Owasso who was so proud of his background as a John Birch member....

Communists, Socialists, Nazis, Klu Klux Klan...lots of whacked out nutjobs.  Both sides.

I never adhered to any of the extremists, but that didn't stop me from getting an FBI file about 2" thick, and occasional visits from FBI and Tulsa Police Dept to discuss MY political activities....I had none!  And the US Marshals service...??  Didn't really understand that one...
Never got to talk to the CIA and have always felt mildly slighted because of that.  Would like to have worked for them making 'gadgets'...still would!

Like Will Rogers, I am a member of no organized political party...I am occasionally a Democrat... in many ways, way too conservative for them, though!

[Conan71]

You'd run from the Black Panthers if they were engaged in this terror. And you'd call them lefties...you would not call them anarchists.

Don't put thoughts in other people's heads.  It's as polite as picking someone else's nose 

[Teatownclown]

Uh, too much info. Sorry Heir, but this:

I never adhered to any of the extremists, but that didn't stop me from getting an FBI file about 2" thick, and occasional visits from FBI and Tulsa Police Dept to discuss MY political activities....I had none!  And the US Marshals service...??  Didn't really understand that one...
Never got to talk to the CIA and have always felt mildly slighted because of that.  Would like to have worked for them making 'gadgets'...still would!

puts you in a new category.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Uh, too much info. Sorry Heir, but this: puts you in a new category.

What...wanting to work for the CIA??  They have the money AND the TOYS!!!!  What better place for an engineer? 

[Red Arrow]

Don't put thoughts in other people's heads.  It's as polite as picking someone else's nose 

You can pick your friends
You can pick your nose
You can't (shouldn't?) pick your friend's nose.

[Teatownclown]

SORRY GODWIN  2:30 PM APRIL 2, 2013
SLOW NEWS DAY EXCEPT FOR THOSE SEEMINGLY COORDINATED NAZI ATTACKS ON PUBLIC OFFICIALS

Read more at http://wonkette.com/509700/slow-news-day-except-for-those-seemingly-coordinated-nazi-attacks-on-public-officials#8IodQGD56c80RaIz.99
In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security took an inexcusable detour from that agency's core mission of creating color-coded fear charts and publishing cute DIY duct-tape and plastic sheeting projects to troll conservative media outlets. THANKS OBAMA. According to those bozos at DHS, the election of our first black president, a shitty economy, and the plethora of well-trained veterans with varying degrees of stress disorders SOMEHOW created a noxious mix from which domestic terrorism might spring forth. Thankfully, folks like Michelle Malkin and the Red State gang recognized the existential threat that this report posed to their brothers in the militia movement and sent their flying butt monkeys into action. Secretary Napolitano eventually more or less recanted the majority of the findings and no policy changes ever went into effect even as the number of hate groups rose exponentially across the country. In other words, America won.
Read more at http://wonkette.com/509700/slow-news-day-except-for-those-seemingly-coordinated-nazi-attacks-on-public-officials#8IodQGD56c80RaIz.99
Four years later some people say that this politically motivated decision not to focus more resources on the growing threat of right-wing (and specifically racially motivated) domestic terrorists might have facilitated a void whereby freedom-loving groups like the Aryan Brotherhood feel comfortable shooting public officials in their homes or in broad daylight. In other words, get ready for an exciting 2013 full of not at all connected or paralyzingly frightening attacks coming from the group that best personifies every single policy failure of the last 30 years.
The news media is being extremely careful in reporting the murders of two (2) district attorneys in Texas and the head of Colorado's prisons, and the growing evidence that they might be connected to the most powerful white supremacist gang in the country. This caution is obviously warranted. The three investigations are in their early stages and tossing around words like "terrorism" or "politically motivated coordinated attacks" should NEVER be used when referring to acts possibly committed by non-Muslims.
But as the days pass and more is known about what happened to Kaufman County ADA Mark Hasse, his boss Mike McLelland and his wife, and Colorado's corrections director Tom Clements, it is becoming increasingly harder for some in the lame stream media to ignore the possible connections to our otherwise benign issue of a massive and hysterically violent criminal enterprise operating within our unbelievably psychotic prison system:
The true terrorist wins because of his or her willingness to die for what they believe in—history has taught us that over and over again. Many of the first men locked up when our nation embarked on a policy of for-profit mass incarceration near the end of the last century are now returning into society. And, as predicted by numerous professionals, they are sicker and more dangerous than when they went behind bars.
That cheery quote is from an anonymous former federal prisoner writing about his time dealing with the Aryan Brotherhood back in the 1990s. His entirely insane advice centers on our country's generational fascination with punitive forms of penology and how they might have created somewhat of a violent blowback. But that dude is a criminal so we can completely ignore what he has to say about anything.
Rachel Maddow and others have raised the possibility that the increased concern over gun regulation might have offended an extremist segment of a movement that has been fed a steady stream of conspiracy theories from right wing opportunists for the past 30 years or so. But these anti-gun fanatics lack any evidence to back up their claims. Sure Tom Clements was murdered on the same day that Colorado established new gun control policies, and the Cracker Bible known as the Turner Diaries may contain pro-gun diatribes that are indistinguishable from the NRA's lobbying papers, but are these coincidences enough to defame those supporting our most pressing civil rights issue? Of course not.
If our metastasizing prison system isn't the problem, and blaming the religion of guns is downright racist, what exactly can explain why groups like the Aryan Brotherhood feel emboldened enough to start watering the tree of liberty in this manner? It couldn't possibly be the almost inescapable echo chamber of fear and insanity coming from right wing news outlets. Sure, Fox may have spent the last decade and a half streaming news that legitimizes every whiny form of white resentment and reactionary dissent to an increasingly unstable audience of folks. But so what if a large segment of the country is convinced that black helicopters will send them to multicultural reeducation camps? Just because the rhetoric from the mainstream conservative media matches the sort of things David Duke used to say to the press four decades ago surely doesn't require us to accept some crazy notion that asymmetrical extremism exists and has more or less legitimized the fringiest of American political movements.
So maybe the summer of hate that the Southern Poverty Law Center has been warning us about for years is finally upon us and we'll just have to get used to headlines referring to the growing threat of domestic rightwing extremism. But let's not do something crazy like perform a self-examination of the last generation of our political rhetoric, or engage in the even more insane policy debate regarding these supposed factors that allow for neo-Nazis to recruit at will. Rather, let's just remember the precedent that Janet Napolitano set forth in 2009: ignore all evidence of a problem and do nothing. Losing a few devoted public servants to just isn't worth enraging the people who control Twitchy.
[CBS News/AP, The Daily Mail, The Daily Beast]

Read more at http://wonkette.com/509700/slow-news-day-except-for-those-seemingly-coordinated-nazi-attacks-on-public-officials#8IodQGD56c80RaIz.99

Hell, we've never heard anyone called "Fundamentalist Christian terrorists" either, not even when they shoot up or bomb clinics or assassinate doctors. The SPLC and the FBI call all that "terrorism" as do ATF, DHS, and the US Marshals Service. But a few Republican Congressional reps did everything they could to quash a DHS report on right-wing terrorism, including largely dismantling the analytic unit covering the problem, and it's probably reasonable to guess that they'd be willing to take similar measures in the future.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/15/dhss_right_wing_terror_blind_spot/

[Teatownclown]

Don't put thoughts in other people's heads.  It's as polite as picking someone else's nose  

Seems to be too much sexist, classist, heterosexist, anti-environmentalist, anti-family, anti-anything other than guns, big business, exploitation of the earth, or white male supremacy.

I say this because, for all of their pro-family rhetoric, the righties are against everything that would help families thrive, prosper and stay together, namely:  living wage jobs, universal healthcare, a strong public infrastructure; affordable mass transportation; family planning services; state-run, high-quality free daycare; spending money on schools, and sane gun control laws - to name only a few.

If it's not about killing or dominating people or destroying the planet, they just don't seem to be interested.

[Red Arrow]

state-run, high-quality free daycare;

I never had any kids. You didn't have to help pay for their school.  You didn't have to help raise them through an income tax deduction.  They didn't turn out to be criminals, you don't have to pay to fed and house them in McAlester.  You didn't have to subsidize their lunch. They are not running your car insurance rates up with bad driving records.

I want free Avgas.  In fact, after looking again at the list above, I should get free hangarspace and insurance too.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I never had any kids. You didn't have to help pay for their school.  You didn't have to help raise them through an income tax deduction.  They didn't turn out to be criminals, you don't have to pay to fed and house them in McAlester.  You didn't have to subsidize their lunch. They are not running your car insurance rates up with bad driving records.

I want free Avgas.  In fact, after looking again at the list above, I should get free hangarspace and insurance too.

Yeah...and I never flew or owned an airplane, but I got to help pay for air traffic control and runways and all the other infrastructure that only pilots get to use.  And yeah, fees pay for some of it, but not all.

I did however, get to enjoy the benefits of the state subsidy for an education at OSU.  Where did you go to college?  (Then I got to pay the TU "bill", too.)

[heironymouspasparagus]

MONDAY, MAR 25, 2013 08:12 AM CDT
Memorial service planned for slain Colo. prisons chief
Tom Clements was killed the evening before his state signed landmark gun regulations into law

Amerikan's fear Arabs more than the right wing hate groupies....get ready, again!

It is official now...they are admitting a handgun was used, so the whole tie to assault rifles is still the same old lame bull s$$$ that it has always been.

And that shiny new law they have would again, have made NO difference!  As expected by rational people....

[Teatownclown]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/03/1815171/head-of-gun-organization-time-to-hunt-democrats/

add Dudley Brown to the list of anarchists in power who are beating the violent hate drum....

[Conan71]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/03/1815171/head-of-gun-organization-time-to-hunt-democrats/

add Dudley Brown to the list of anarchists in power who are beating the violent hate drum....

Do you wear Depends to bed?

[Gaspar]

Do you wear Depends to bed?

Willing to bet he is at least a three bumper sticker guy.

[heironymouspasparagus]

and sane gun control laws - to name only a few

Except for the fact - again - that we have had thousands of sane gun control laws for about 80 years....and your alternate reality fantasy world just doesn't understand that.

[Teatownclown]

Today's addition courtesy of TRMS which made this the top of her news show tonight. Political courage is hard to find these days....just the opposite. We are witnessing our own elected representatives throw crap all over the flag and nobody seems to condemn the GOP/Teabagger Party.

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is
Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

Lansing attorney does not like
Supreme Court Obamacare ruling

By TOM GANTERT | June 28, 2012 |  Follow Tom Gantert on Twitter

Matt Davis
(Editor's note: This story has been edited to add more context to the thoughts presented from the original email.)

A Lansing-based civil rights attorney who has held positions with the Michigan Republican Party and Department of Corrections, questioned in a widely distributed email today whether armed rebellion was justified over the Supreme Court ruling upholding Obamacare.

Matthew Davis sent the email moments after the Supreme Court ruling to numerous new media outlets and limited government activists with the headline: "Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?"

He stressed that he wasn't calling for armed rebellion but added his own personal note to the email, saying, "... here's my response. And yes, I mean it."

He said he was writing with an "eye toward asking at what point the Republic is in peril."

"There are times government has to do things to get what it wants and holds a gun to your head," Davis said. "I'm saying at some point, we have to ask the question when do we turn that gun around and say no and resist.

"Was the American Revolution justified?"

Davis said the key word was "justified," adding that a peaceful resolution toward changing the law is the goal. He said rebellion often is the end result of people who get backed against a wall and wondered when that might occur when it comes to the Obamacare ruling.

"If government can mandate that I pay for something I don't want, then what is beyond its power?" he wrote. "If the Supreme Court's decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, than has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified? God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired."

Davis said he wasn't calling for violence, rather he was pointing out that historically that is what has occurred at times in America. He compared armed rebellion to a situation where the government cannot get your money by way of liens or seizure of bank accounts is coming to arrest you for not paying an unconstitutional tax.

"You can't have people walking with lattes and signs and think the object of your opposition is going to take you seriously," Davis said. "Armed rebellion is the end point of that physical confrontation."

Here's his email:

Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?

Implicit in Benjamin Franklin's fabled response at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was a dire warning: That the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless we the people prevented it.

In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson's election was complete. It cannot be said too many times — for the purposes of emphasis and clarity — that the Constitution was possible ONLY AFTER the American Revolution; and that the war itself would not have been possible without the collective agreement, as so eloquently articulated in the Declaration of Independence, that the course of human events will sometimes justify one group of people to sever themselves from their oppressors.

In other words, America itself was possible only after its people summoned the will to risk their lives and their futures — as well as those of their children — for a freedom they did not enjoy but knew was their gift from God. Along with their desire to be free came their willingness to engaged in armed rebellion for their freedom.

If government can mandate that I pay for something I don't want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court's decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?

God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17151

"And people wonder why we're concerned about the right. They really are certifiably crazy. Throw in gun worship and macho solutions to everything and you've got a big problem. These nuts aren't always "all talk". R. Slaughter