We're Not A Christian Nation, We're One Of The Larger Muslim Nations

[Conan71]

I didn't intend to hang Know Nothing out to dry, but it's been funny to watch the apologists parse words.  Specifically President Obama implies that we are one of he larger Muslim Countries in the world, that much is quoted.  How well did it go over with a lot of you when Bush would imply or flat state that we were a Christian Country or Judeo-Christian country?  If we are 53rd on the list or whatever, that puts us in the upper 1/3, not in the top ten, I guess it depends on at what your cut off point is for largest.  As for percent of total population, it's very small.

Here's the rub with me:

During the campaign, President Obama's Muslim roots were down-played.  People were admonished by John McCain not to  pull the Muslim card.  Calling him Barack HUSSEIN Obama prior to the election was off-limits and not PC.  Now his Muslim upbringing which was insignificant (and off-limits) before is suddenly significant, and he's suddenly proud of his middle name.  I can specifically recall a few members of this forum getting testy when President Obama's middle name was invoked during the campaign.

Tim's not making up what was said.  It's in black and white.  Now invasions of locusts, drought, famine, etc. I don't think this is a cataclysm of Biblical proportions, but there's a whole lot contradictions going on here.  I simply found it ironic that

I'm all for better world relations and peace, most definitely.  If it takes a little stretching of the truth to provide better national security, fine.  I hope Muslim leaders around the world believe our President carries some empathy and sincerity having Muslim roots, but I also sense this pandering by a "former" Muslim could be looked upon with a very cynical eye.

[Townsend]

The middle name was always brought up to make him sound like he's "one of them"..."THEEEEEEEM".

It shouldn't matter.

No country's government should ever have a decision made due to a religion.

Your religion is not mine so don't use it to make decisions effecting my life.

So...anything having to do with any religion should be moot when it comes to governing.  It should never have to come up.

[tim huntzinger]

The middle name was always brought up to make him sound like he's "one of them"..."THEEEEEEEM".

It shouldn't matter.

No country's government should ever have a decision made due to a religion.

Your religion is not mine so don't use it to make decisions effecting my life.

So...anything having to do with any religion should be moot when it comes to governing.  It should never have to come up.

Dhimmi!  This has nothing NOTHING to do with what you and I or Conan or any of the rest of us believe, you just do not get it.  Gosh this is frustrating!  I get the O was trying to give a nuanced 'welcome' and 'salaam' to Muslims, but what are they understanding? They do not have the post-Enlightenment, bourgeousie, pedestrian understanding of these terms and ideas that the parlors in Chicago, or partisan debating societies in DC, employ to decipher attorney-speak.  Try Clinton's 'definition of is' on some 7th-century thinking tribesman-cum-millionaire and watch them laugh!  Try translating 'Muslim country' in any dozens of dialects and see what you come up with.  This is not a joke or open to vague interpretations.  I hope the O is able to speak to the masses of Muslims, but speaking in factually erroneous riddles is not the way.

[Chicken Little]

They do not have the post-Enlightenment, bourgeousie, pedestrian understanding of these terms and ideas that the parlors in Chicago, or partisan debating societies in DC, employ to decipher attorney-speak.  Try Clinton's 'definition of is' on some 7th-century thinking tribesman-cum-millionaire and watch them laugh!  Try translating 'Muslim country' in any dozens of dialects and see what you come up with.  This is not a joke or open to vague interpretations.  I hope the O is able to speak to the masses of Muslims, but speaking in factually erroneous riddles is not the way.

Oh, give me a break.  What do you know about what a Muslim "understands"?  Maybe you should be paying attention to another BHO quote; ponder what "crude stereotype" means, as it applies to both Muslims and you.

So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words - within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

[Townsend]

Dhimmi!  This has nothing NOTHING to do with what you and I or Conan or any of the rest of us believe, you just do not get it.  Gosh this is frustrating!  I get the O was trying to give a nuanced 'welcome' and 'salaam' to Muslims, but what are they understanding? They do not have the post-Enlightenment, bourgeousie, pedestrian understanding of these terms and ideas that the parlors in Chicago, or partisan debating societies in DC, employ to decipher attorney-speak.  Try Clinton's 'definition of is' on some 7th-century thinking tribesman-cum-millionaire and watch them laugh!  Try translating 'Muslim country' in any dozens of dialects and see what you come up with.  This is not a joke or open to vague interpretations.  I hope the O is able to speak to the masses of Muslims, but speaking in factually erroneous riddles is not the way.

You are insane.

[tim huntzinger]

Oh, give me a break.  What do you know about what a Muslim "understands"?  Maybe you should be paying attention to another BHO quote; ponder what "crude stereotype" means, as it applies to both Muslims and you.

I have done a fair amount of reading on the subject, and you did not answer any of my points.  I have advocated for the re-establishment of the Caliphate, and for dual citizenship for Iraqis with the US.  I have defended the broadcasting of Azan in US cities, and would love to visit Meccah.  All you infidels do is freak out whenever you are challenged.

[Townsend]

I have done a fair amount of reading on the subject, and you did not answer any of my points.  I have advocated for the re-establishment of the Caliphate, and for dual citizenship for Iraqis with the US.  I have defended the broadcasting of Azan in US cities, and would love to visit Meccah.  All you infidels do is freak out whenever you are challenged.

[Townsend]

[Townsend]

Ah yes, the last refuge for the vanquished: 'yer a poop head'!  Nicely done! Sorry you feel that way.

[nathanm]

But for the record, we are the 53rd largest "Muslim Nation" on Earth per Wikipedia .  Behind such powerhouse Muslim Nations as Russia, Mauritania, Burkina Faso, and Germany.  The claim was a little off . . .

Given the fast and furious edits and reverts on that page over the last few days, I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it, and I'm crazy enough to often trust Wikipedia on non-controversial issues.

[FOTD]

Little Chicken and Conan are the last hold outs of believing POTUS OBAMA is a bad person as are all Muslims.

"President Obama tours a German concentration camp that his great-uncle helped liberate. Obama was joined by German Chancellor Angela Merkel; Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Weisel, perhaps the camp's most famous prisoner. "I will not forget what I've seen here today," Obama said after touring the camp. "These sites have not lost their horror with the passage of time."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/05/obama.germany/

We are not a Muslim nor a Jewish nor a Christian Nation....We are a united nation.
Change has come to America. We are a better country since the new attitude in our Executive branch. Jimmy Carter was a peace maker and look how he's been trashed over the years. POTUS OBAMA's reputation will be stellar after 8 years in office. You can feel it. Soon, we will see POTUS OBAMA bring out what's the best in America.

Never Again....

Never again.

[Conan71]

Little Chicken and Conan are the last hold outs of believing POTUS OBAMA is a bad person as are all Muslims.

"President Obama tours a German concentration camp that his great-uncle helped liberate. Obama was joined by German Chancellor Angela Merkel; Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Weisel, perhaps the camp's most famous prisoner. "I will not forget what I've seen here today," Obama said after touring the camp. "These sites have not lost their horror with the passage of time."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/05/obama.germany/

We are not a Muslim nor a Jewish nor a Christian Nation....We are a united nation.
Change has come to America. We are a better country since the new attitude in our Executive branch. Jimmy Carter was a peace maker and look how he's been trashed over the years. POTUS OBAMA's reputation will be stellar after 8 years in office. You can feel it. Soon, we will see POTUS OBAMA bring out what's the best in America.

Never Again....

Never again.

The "great uncle" story is noteworthy and gives the press their feel good piece of the day.

Perhaps more important and impressive to me was his rebuke of Ahmadinejad.  Surprised you neglected to mention that in light of the post you chose to add this to.  I was actually getting ready to post an "attaboy" for him on that.  I don't have a problem giving this administration props when they make good moves. 

[Townsend]

Inshallah!

[Chicken Little]

Little Chicken and Conan are the last hold outs of believing POTUS OBAMA is a bad person as are all Muslims.

What the hell are you talking about, goofball? I've been saying the exact opposite.  Obama is great and Muslims should not be subjected to stereotypes.  Duh.  Stop crapping up threads and read.

[FOTD]

What the hell are you talking about, goofball? I've been saying the exact opposite.  Obama is great and Muslims should not be subjected to stereotypes.  Duh.  Stop crapping up threads and read.

Don't take it personally Little, but you've contributed zip to this thread.