What is going on east of Dilly Deli?

[sgrizzle]

My advice for El Guapo: Become the state's premier location for northern New Mexico cuisine. 

I have never found a real green chile burrito anywhere in Tulsa, and there's no where to get a bowl of chile (not chili, but chile...the kind where they ask "red or green?" after you place your order).

Enough Tulsans travel regularly through New Mexico, southern Colorado, and Arizona to have an appreciation for "New Mexian" food.  And I've spoken to many folks, who, like me, are blase about Tex-Mex or so-called "authentic Mexican." 

Go find a chef from Sante Fe, Albuquerque, Taos...SOMEWHERE in northern NM...and then find a supplier of fresh roasted Hatch green chiles.   It would fill a gaping void in the Tulsa restaurant market.  It would fill a niche, and it would fill the tables at El Guapo's.  (It never hurts that chiles seems to be mildly addictive!)

I would go there, although I would personally prefer to substitute something in place of the hominy.

[TheArtist]

What would be nice to have in the area next is some shopping. Then it would be more of a destination location. Yes a small theater/dinner theater would be fantastic as well.

Couple of small things that would make a positive difference in the area that Elliot could do would be to have some outdoor/sidewalk seating at Mc Nellies and make the side area next to Dili Delli more visible. Perhaps an artsy, decorative fence so that its still somewhat secluded but you can readily see that there are people in there eating and playing games.  Both of those would add a more lively feeling to the area, and add to that "people watching" factor.   I think one of the big negatives for Dili Delli was how you can not see inside. It always looks dead from the outside and a lot of people going through there never gave it a second glance.  Even a "faux" set of table and chairs with perhaps umbrellas out front by the door would have been just the cue to say "Hey! we are a restaurant and we are open!" Not " Hmmm wonder whats in there? and are they open? "  No need to do that for Mc Nellies for instance, its a different look and dynamic.  You cant always go by some book of rules, or what you have done before,,, feeling something out and psychology "the art of it" is very important.  Dilli Delli on that corner needed to be open and inviting, not closed off behind dark reflective windows and a tall, privacy fence.  I am willing to bet that he would have doubled or tripled his business there by making those changes.  

[Conan71]

My advice for El Guapo: Become the state's premier location for northern New Mexico cuisine. 

I have never found a real green chile burrito anywhere in Tulsa, and there's no where to get a bowl of chile (not chili, but chile...the kind where they ask "red or green?" after you place your order).

Enough Tulsans travel regularly through New Mexico, southern Colorado, and Arizona to have an appreciation for "New Mexian" food.  And I've spoken to many folks, who, like me, are blase about Tex-Mex or so-called "authentic Mexican." 

Go find a chef from Sante Fe, Albuquerque, Taos...SOMEWHERE in northern NM...and then find a supplier of fresh roasted Hatch green chiles.   It would fill a gaping void in the Tulsa restaurant market.  It would fill a niche, and it would fill the tables at El Guapo's.  (It never hurts that chiles seems to be mildly addictive!)

I got a very good education in Hatch chiles this weekend.  A friend who is very into NM cuisine brought me green chile stew, that didn't suck at all. 

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

I went to El Guapo's last night and it was packed.  I think they have some of the biggest margaritas in town.  Service was good.  McNellies is my favorite of Elliott's creations and I hope he continues to expand it.  Haven't been to Yokozuna yet bet all my friends say it is good.  I won't do Dilly Deli because I don't like sandwich places.  There are way too many sandwich places downtown.  I would definately go to his bowling alley for lunch and HH after work.  I am still curious what will go in east of Dilly Deli and that bar without a name on it (I think it is called Temple).  There are those 3 new spaces but last I checked they were still empty.

I am happy for all the developments downtown- more restaurants, bars, entertainment, and residential.  This needs to continue but there also needs to be more green spaces and shopping downtown but that is another topic.

[FOTD]

 I won't do Dilly Deli because I don't like sandwich places.  There are way too many sandwich places downtown.  

"enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon (on death)

[SXSW]

I went to El Guapo's last night and it was packed.  I think they have some of the biggest margaritas in town.  Service was good.  McNellies is my favorite of Elliott's creations and I hope he continues to expand it.  Haven't been to Yokozuna yet bet all my friends say it is good.  I won't do Dilly Deli because I don't like sandwich places.  There are way too many sandwich places downtown.  I would definately go to his bowling alley for lunch and HH after work.  I am still curious what will go in east of Dilly Deli and that bar without a name on it (I think it is called Temple).  There are those 3 new spaces but last I checked they were still empty.

I am happy for all the developments downtown- more restaurants, bars, entertainment, and residential.  This needs to continue but there also needs to be more green spaces and shopping downtown but that is another topic.

Anyone know who owns that piece of vacant land right at the corner of 1st & Elgin next to McNellies?  That would be a natural space for a McNellies expansion, maybe a brewpub or coffee shop concept?  That is another thing the Blue Dome lacks, a good coffee shop..

[Liz Wright]

Hi

This thread points directly to what the PlaniTulsa folks are proposing. Mixed Use residential / business in downtown. Just needs development interests to take note. A proactive measure would be to send this thread to the planners, the city council, the Development lobbies, etc. Remember the public hearings begin in January for the new comp plan!

Happy Holidays.

Liz Wright

[Nik]

Anyone know who owns that piece of vacant land right at the corner of 1st & Elgin next to McNellies?  That would be a natural space for a McNellies expansion, maybe a brewpub or coffee shop concept?  That is another thing the Blue Dome lacks, a good coffee shop..

http://bit.ly/5MQThS

I was going to ask the same thing. It would also be a great place for some outdoor seating or a little music venue that could be tied into McNellie's. Kinda like Stubb's BBQ in Austin.

[OurTulsa]

The answer to the original question: Lee Bicycles.

They are relocating from Brookside.

They bought Kitchell's building on 2nd and Frankfort.  I understand the transaction just took place but I don't know timelines or details of how super cool the shop will be.

Anyone know Adam the owner?

[kylieosu]

http://bit.ly/5MQThS

I was going to ask the same thing. It would also be a great place for some outdoor seating or a little music venue that could be tied into McNellie's. Kinda like Stubb's BBQ in Austin.

That would be fantastic.

[Conan71]

The answer to the original question: Lee Bicycles.

They are relocating from Brookside.

They bought Kitchell's building on 2nd and Frankfort.  I understand the transaction just took place but I don't know timelines or details of how super cool the shop will be.

Anyone know Adam the owner?

Word around the campfire is something similar to Mellow Johnny's in Austin, we've covered this on another thread or earlier on this one:

http://www.mellowjohnnys.com/theshop.php

[PonderInc]

Anyone know who owns that piece of vacant land right at the corner of 1st & Elgin next to McNellies?  That would be a natural space for a McNellies expansion, maybe a brewpub or coffee shop concept?  That is another thing the Blue Dome lacks, a good coffee shop..

According to the County Assessor's records, this property is owned by: RACZKOWSKI, WILLIAM J AND JOAN E of Tulsa.

[Townsend]

According to the County Assessor's records, this property is owned by: RACZKOWSKI, WILLIAM J AND JOAN E of Tulsa.

I've been told their asking price is a tad steep.

[SXSW]

I've been told their asking price is a tad steep.

Maybe that's why Elliot has been opening up so many new venues, to make enough $$$ to buy this piece of land for a McNellies expansion.     That and the bricked up warehouse across Elgin on 1st really drag that area down, hopefully something can be done with both buildings soon.  If I had more money I would buy the warehouse and turn it into a microbrewery.  If only Marshall's could operate a brewery...

[rwarn17588]

Maybe that's why Elliot has been opening up so many new venues, to make enough $$$ to buy this piece of land for a McNellies expansion.     That and the bricked up warehouse across Elgin on 1st really drag that area down, hopefully something can be done with both buildings soon.  If I had more money I would buy the warehouse and turn it into a microbrewery.  If only Marshall's could operate a brewery...

Forgive my ignorance, but what would keep Marshall's from operating a brewery? Is there some sort of ceiling on beer production?

On a related note, it's high time for the next governor or legislature to take a hard look at this state's archaic alcohol laws. Sure, other states have them, too, but it's no excuse to keep stupid regulations on the book "just because."