Inhofe on the birthers

[cannon_fodder]

So you just believe everything the officials in charge say?  That is why this country is so messed up.

Nope.  I encourage people to doubt officials.   But when said official has the best information available and there is not evidence that they either have or have a motivation to falsify said information . . . then doubting it is worthless. 

Officials say the Earth goes around the sun.  I have not observed nor proven this myself.  But it is still the best and most logical information available so I go with it.  If presented with information that is contrary to the official version it is worth looking into.  If that evidence proves to be compelling then look some more. 

Obama can not PROVE he was born in the United States to you no matter what he does.  He has traveled outside the US, yet you think he has a magically faked passport.  He has released a birth certificate, but you want a different one.  Newspaper reports were published announcing his birth, but they are in on it to. 

You have a negative hypothesis with no supporting data.  You are totally unable to prove he was born outside the US and are unwilling to accept evidence to the contrary.  You have constructed a scenario in which your contention has no merit but by refusing to accept evidence to the contrary you cannot be proven wrong.  So congrats.

[joiei]

He never released his long form birth certificate.  What he released was a Certificate of Live Birth that does not say what hospital he was born in or have any official seal or signatures.  He also has not released his passport.  John McCain released his long form birth certificate because he was born at a US military base outside the US that is considered US soil.  Other Presidents have never been questionable.  Obama is questionable by enough people for this to still be in the news.  If he cannot prove that he is a natural born citizen then he is breaking the law. 

FYI:  I am not a Republican or a Bush supporter.  I think Obama is Bush part 2 but worse.

John McCain is not the president and has never been the president.   You stated

Previous Presidents have released this information with no problem.

I think you need to get your argument together.   

In the long run there is nothing that will ever satisfy the people who claim that President Obama is not legal because they refuse to accept any of the evidence that has been presented to them.

I feel sorry for all of you.    What if someone came to you and requested all that information and then refused to believe  any of your evidence that you were a natural born American?   

[TURobY]

I feel sorry for all of you.    What if someone came to you and requested all that information and then refused to believe  any of your evidence that you were a natural born American?   

I would do exactly as Obama has done: refuse to take them seriously and ignore them.

[tim huntzinger]

Hawaii issued a copy of the receipt for a birth certificate; putting birth notices in the paper does not require independent verification does it? I accept it as evidence of live birth in Hawaii, but it is not irrefutable.  Why do you think Hillary Clinton stayed in the primary so long? Why did her campaign release the image of Sotero in 'muslim' garb?  That is evidence - not irrefutable - that she believed there was something to all that 'native-born' stuff and she is no dummy.  Why did Sotero's law firm issue 'white papers' discussing the native-born provision of the Constitution once he gained national prominence?

[cannon_fodder]

  Why do you think Hillary Clinton stayed in the primary so long? Why did her campaign release the image of Sotero in 'muslim' garb?  That is evidence - not irrefutable - that she believed there was something to all that 'native-born' stuff and she is no dummy.

Ummm, probably because she was trying to beat Obama in an election and if a handful of people would be willing to vote against him by hanging onto such threads would serve her self interest.  She is no dummy.  It served her interest to perpetuate, at least casually, such rumors.

What would be "irrefutable" evidence that he was born in Hawaii?  Evidence that you wouldn't claim was forged, made up, doctored, or otherwise faked.

As it stands, all the documents are apparently faked and newspapers in Hawaii or relatives of Obama were thinking some black baby born in Kenya/Indonesia (6 months after his parents got married in Hawaii) was going to be the next president so they went to the trouble of faking birth announcements.  He then used his influence, which was apparently greater than Senator Hillary Clinton and her husband as well as all the Republican Candidates including McCain to forge documents in Hawaii.  That just seems unlikely to me.

[joiei]

Limbaugh's scared to talk about the birthers and won't defend them because he has seen how Dobbs and the movement got manhandled by the press -- including by conservative commentators. In fact, Limbaugh himself took some friendly fire from Philip Klein at the far-right American Spectator who, under the headline, "Shame on Rush," announced: "To any sane human being, there is no controversy."

Limbaugh saw how the press was sticking to the birth certificate facts and wasn't shy about knocking down high-paid radio hosts who tried to traffic in that nonsense.

And guess what? If Limbaugh won't back the birthers, that means most right-wing AM hosts won't either. Because that business is built upon a very simple (lemming) rule: Do whatever Rush does. And if Limbaugh won't line up on the side of the birthers, than means most AM talkers won't either, which means the birthers are going to be pushed back to the fringes where they belong.

This statement comes from here  http://mediamatters.org/columns/200907270015

I will stop talking about this dead topic. 

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

Obama can not PROVE he was born in the United States to you no matter what he does. 

Like I said, all he has to do is release his long form birth certificate with the hospital name where he was born and I will accept it.  But he won't do it because he is hiding something.  And it sounds like you people don't want to see it.  If both of his parents were established Americans like previous Presidents there would be no question.

[swake]

Like I said, all he has to do is release his long form birth certificate with the hospital name where he was born and I will accept it.  But he won't do it because he is hiding something.  And it sounds like you people don't want to see it.  If both of his parents were established Americans like previous Presidents there would be no question.

You do get that the most ridiculous part of this argument is that even if Obama was born in Kenya with a (singular) American parent he would still be a natural born citizen.

Not that this will convince you, but for anyone else reading: The United States Code, TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 part (g) says:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

[Townsend]

You do get that the most ridiculous part of this argument is that even if Obama was born in Kenya with a (singular) American parent he would still be a natural born citizen.

Not that this will convince you, but for anyone else reading: The United States Code, TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 part (g) says:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

But that's the thing...his mother's from somewhere beyond the sun.  Sooooo, this means he's not American and can fry your brain with his thoughts.

Watch out for his unforgiving gaze.

[swake]

Here is the birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is not a fake and is a legal and legitimate birth certificate. 



Something else, I went and checked and MY birth certificate is almost identical to this one. It does not list a hospital or a doctor, just where and when I was born and who the parents were. I have never seen any other birth certificate and that document has been accepted as legal documentation of my birth every time I have used it.

[Hoss]

Here is the birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is not a fake and is a legal and legitimate birth certificate. 



Something else, I went and checked and MY birth certificate is almost identical to this one. It does not list a hospital or a doctor, just where and when I was born and who the parents were. I have never seen any other birth certificate and that document has been accepted as legal documentation of my birth every time I have used it.

IMO, the difference?

You're not the first African-American President.  Now before all you racist-mongerers come out to attack me about that statement, think about it.  Was this done to John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal?  And IS a legal US citizen.  Nope.

It humors me actually to see the wing-nuts get all frothy at the mouth about this issue when there are so many more issues to be debated.  If that's all they (the 'birthers') can come up with after essentially a year of this stuff, then they're grasping.

[FOTD]

Racism Is the Prime Cause for Debunked Obama Birth Certificate Conspiracy Theory

The "birther" conspiracy has been utterly debunked, yet more GOP establishment figures have embraced the transparently racist cause.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/141587/racism_is_the_prime_cause_for_debunked_obama_birth_certificate_conspiracy_theory/?page=entire

"Like all conspiracy theories, it springs from the fertile soil of collective denial. Unlike all conspiracy theories, it thrives on a deep-rooted, racist belief: that a black man with a foreign name could never have won the presidency in the United States through anything other than trickery, deception or fraud."

"There's a bizarre tendency, every time a person of color criticizes white folks -- or just white racism -- to say 'that's racism,' " says Wise. "So, by that logic, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a racist, Barack Obama is a racist, Sonia Sotomayor is a racist. ... Meanwhile, people like Pat Buchanan, who say Sonia Sotomayor is unqualified or that white people built the country and are basically entitled to 100 percent of everything -- they're not racist."

" Given how deep such notions of entitlement and superiority can run, it's hard to know to what degree the birthers are fully conscious of the racist impulses behind their crazy allegations -- or whether they are in such denial that they actually believe their own bullsh!t."

"It appears to me that the Republican party, because of the choices it has made -- going back 40 years or more -- on policy positions have guaranteed that they were destined to be, at the end of the day, the white nationalist party," says Wise.

" Mainstream Republicans who wish to look respectable may want to distance themselves from this "lunatic fringe," but as representatives of a party largely built on structural racism, this is a very real part of their base."

" It would be pushing it to see the birthers phenomenon as a a sign that white hegemony is nearing its last throes. However, "one really positive thing about Obama's presidency in regards to race" says Wise, is that "its created this nuttiness on the part of a lot white folks who have always been thinking this stuff but they just haven't been as bold with it."

"At some point, people will have to say, maybe black folks aren't the crazy ones. Maybe it's not the folks of color who have lost their minds. Maybe it's you."


Bottom line.

[cannon_fodder]

If both of his parents were established Americans like previous Presidents there would be no question.

Ahh, there it is.  His parents weren't American ENOUGH for him to be president.  The details, like the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen or that he was born on US soil, are not that important.  He is the son of a Muslim African born on some pacific island. 

If you truly think this line of thinking will win you or your ideology any points or somehow get Obama removed as president, have at it.   But I really hope you know you're just wasting your time.

[kylieosu]

Ahh, there it is.  His parents weren't American ENOUGH for him to be president.  The details, like the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen or that he was born on US soil, are not that important.  He is the son of a Muslim African born on some pacific island. 

If you truly think this line of thinking will win you or your ideology any points or somehow get Obama removed as president, have at it.   But I really hope you know you're just wasting your time.

Amen. This birth certificate nonsense is just getting nothing but old. If I keep hearing about it, I think my head is going to explode.

Like it or not, Barack Obama is our President. DEAL WITH IT.

[Conan71]

Here is the birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is not a fake and is a legal and legitimate birth certificate. 



Something else, I went and checked and MY birth certificate is almost identical to this one. It does not list a hospital or a doctor, just where and when I was born and who the parents were. I have never seen any other birth certificate and that document has been accepted as legal documentation of my birth every time I have used it.

Ah HAH!!!

I've known it all along, swake.  You are NOT an American citizen!