New Owner for Bill White's East End Properties

[TheArtist]

This queers a big homogeneous site....lol.

Well heck, you know the property values will go up then lol. 

[dbacks fan]

New site for a big splash?
Don't get your hopes up. This the devil knows.

Thought you left. You must be the bad penny.

[Conan71]

It does?

Not until you inserted your negative (self-imposed banned) donkey from the forum

[swake]

This queers a big homogeneous site....lol.

It's been so much more pleasant around here without you

[FOTD]

It's been so much more pleasant around here without you

Swake da snake....too bad. Truth teller reappears and all you evil white people get your panties in a bunch.

[swake]

Swake da snake....too bad. Truth teller reappears and all you evil white people get your panties in a bunch.

You are a lot more whitey than me sweetheart. And regardless, it's not your politics I dislike, it's your behavior.

[FOTD]

You are a lot more whitey than me sweetheart. And regardless, it's not your politics I dislike, it's your behavior.

Just curious....any problems with the lack of outrage by Republicans of their own methods of disruption and lies?

What about their behavior?

What about the behavior of those leaders that never fought wars but sent 100,000's to their death?

Please. Don't lecture on behavior. Not unless you plan to take the lead by example.

[Wilbur]

There goes another topic!

[Conan71]

Just curious....any problems with the lack of outrage by Republicans of their own methods of disruption and lies?

What about their behavior?

What about the behavior of those leaders that never fought wars but sent 100,000's to their death?

Please. Don't lecture on behavior. Not unless you plan to take the lead by example.

How the fu*k did this creep into a topic on east end development?  Take your crayons and go play on one of your deadhead forums sonny, they are used to this sort of non-sensical crap.

[FOTD]

How the fu*k did this creep into a topic on east end development?  Take your crayons and go play on one of your deadhead forums sonny, they are used to this sort of non-sensical crap.

There is nothing left to discuss about this site and this old news.

The east end will not rear anytime soon. Real estate is in the toilet.

Unless you are Case and Associates. Those guys know their stuff.

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

I wish they would get on the ball and get these mixed use projects going downtown.  I am tired of these guys just buying the land cheap as they can and doing nothing with it for years.

[FOTD]

I wish they would get on the ball and get these mixed use projects going downtown.  I am tired of these guys just buying the land cheap as they can and doing nothing with it for years.

Maybe they know how to make economic sense of a deal....

Prices downtown are too high for land. Bill White had over expectations for far too long. Had he sold his land in 1984 and invested it in bonds he'd have been way out in front of today's prices.

So, who is to blame for the slow growth in downtown?

[carltonplace]

I wish they would get on the ball and get these mixed use projects going downtown.  I am tired of these guys just buying the land cheap as they can and doing nothing with it for years.

I don't get it either. I see developments going in all over the place in areas with much lower density (people per sq mile). Given the number of people that live within 3 miles of Downtown in all directions it would make sense that retail developments would do well in the core: The Home Depot downtown is one of the busiest in the chain.

Add to that the number of people that commute to downtown every weekday that would certainly shop during lunch or before or after work.

Or that given the opportunity downtown Tulsa could become a regional draw (just like OKC or even KSC).

Why would you want to sit on a property to maybe make money some day, when you could make serious jack right away.

The old DTU/Jim Nelson trope about the "chicken or the egg" doesn't hold any water (yes I mixed metaphores), when you see how many people are descending on downtown for entertainment these days. Imagine how many more would come for a mix of local and national shopping options on top of entertainment. A top notch shopping area that mixed both old and new construction with a hotel or two would certainly be an attraction.

We need some new players (with vision and bucks) I guess.

[FOTD]

You need more disposable income in and around downtown....along with flexible owners of IDL land.

[SXSW]

I wish Case would build some of his apartments in the East End instead of in BA and SW Tulsa.  3-4 story urban apartments with a parking garage in the center and that front the sidewalks would be a big hit in those empty lots east of Elgin.

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