Name Your Worst Street in Tulsa...

[Friendly Bear]

I nominate 81st Street, between Yale and Harvard. 

Two lane, rutted, pot-holed, broken-up, and no shoulder.

What's your Favorite?

[Conan71]

I nominate 81st Street, between Yale and Harvard. 

Two lane, rutted, pot-holed, broken-up, and no shoulder.

What's your Favorite?

And it's been like that for over 30 years.

Yale between 21st & 36th.

[Friendly Bear]

South Peoria between 51st and 41st is a moonscape.

Very bad.

[RecycleMichael]

The roads in my neighborhood are wonderful. The roads near my office and warehouse downtown are wonderful. The highway I take into work has also been recently repaved as well.

I think you guys just look for the worse and then whine about it. Let's start a thread about the best streets in Tulsa.

[Conan71]

The roads in my neighborhood are wonderful. The roads near my office and warehouse downtown are wonderful. The highway I take into work has also been recently repaved as well.

You sound just like a city councilor or county commissioner.

[Friendly Bear]

The roads in my neighborhood are wonderful. The roads near my office and warehouse downtown are wonderful. The highway I take into work has also been recently repaved as well.

I think you guys just look for the worse and then whine about it. Let's start a thread about the best streets in Tulsa.

Various commenters in previousl Topics have indicated that Mayor Taylor has directed $50 million in road building DOWNTOWN, in order to pretty up ingress and egress to the Bank of Kaiser Arena.

For sizzle.

Beyond the core few blocks of the downtown area, the streets are just as bad as about anywhere else in Tulsa, with some terrible and others just poor condition.

Surprisingly, there's stretches on Lewis between 21st and 31st, in Tulsa's Mid-Town power corridor, that are pitted and pot-holed.

Sharing the pain, I presume.....

[cannon_fodder]

You sound just like a city councilor or county commissioner.

+1.

My road retains water.  It has crumbling sections and is generally pocked up.  Swerving to one side or another to avoid known dangers is common.

I once dented a wheel well on the highway home from work in a pothole.  Seriously, it ate my wheel.   Obviously blowing out the tire.

I pass through 31st and Harvard on my way to work every day.  I drive an SUV and worry about its well being.  An SUV with an off-road package shouldn't have to slow down for an intersection because it is that worn/rutted/potholed.  On the rest of my short drive I swerve several times to avoid pot holes, sunken areas, and various other maladies.    But 31st and Harvard is my nomination for worst road.

Heck, even when we redo them apparently it isn't done right. Brookside was never right.  The BA is apparently already falling apart.  Really makes one wonder.

Honestly, my wife and I road bikes to TU and back South through midtown.  At one point we were on a new paved road and my wife commented "can you imagine how much nicer a road like this would make our neighborhood seem?"  As I thought about it, having a nice road does make an area seem much better.  And it is a fairly rare sight in Tulsa.

If you think the roads are fine, drive from the BA north on Harvard to 41st.  Drive on Yale or Sheridan from 11th to 36th St. North.  Pick a random neighborhood and drive through it.  There are a lot more areas that are god awful than are really nice.  Which is why Tulsa consistently gets either a FAILING or near FAILING grade on every street review.

[Conan71]

How do you like that northbound lane of Harvard crossing 41st, Cannon?  That's a rough one.

[cannon_fodder]

It isn't as bad as 31st.  Of course, going North from 41st you have the intersection and immediately afterwords get to dodge a sink hole.  Which keeps it interesting. 

[Friendly Bear]

East 51st Street between Harvard and Yale has become a pot-holed, tire torture track, especially westbound.

Maybe Councilor Martinsen was on to something in his recent detailed city budget (historical and current) analysis:

He concluded that 100% of the city's 2-cents sales tax operating budget is now totally absorbed solely by the police and fire operations.

That leaves the remainder of the city budget, including routine street maintenance, patching, paving, and crack filling to be funded from other sources:  Fees, fines, Water & Sewer fees, etc.

I'm refering to routine maintenance, not new roadbuilding that the 3rd Penny sales tax funds, albeit less and less at each tax renewal. 

Now, declining down to only about 28% of the total 3rd Penny spending package.

Police Cars (800 Take-Home Police Cars for 800 policemen), fire trucks, police helicopters, etc. siphon $$millions from the 3rd Penny annually that could at least partially be spent on road improvements, widening and re-builds.

It's all a matter of priorities.....

[Conan71]

In re: Martinson.

I look at it this way: we are only going to pay $400-some million for more schlocky repairs instead of $2 bln for schlocky repairs like Martinson wanted.

[Friendly Bear]

I think we're referring to two different analyses.

I'm recalling a more recent budget analysis, associated with the recently approved Fiscal Year city budget, that Counselor Martinsen did a detailed analysis.  It showed 100% of the 2-cent operating budget is now absorbed by police and fire budgets.

He advocated for $17 million in spending cuts in the police & fire operating budget.  His idea wasn't approved.

I think you're thinking of an earlier analysis that he and John Eagleton did on the $2 Billion road package we approved last year.

Way too big of bite for the voters to approve.

[PepePeru]

Harvard is from 61st street north.
Lewis from 61st to 51st
Peoria.
41st between Lewis & Harvard.

[brianh]

I am going to say Peoria around 34th, just for the brickwork in the street.  Who made the decision to do that? Could we not have taken a queue from how terrible it is to drive over Brady street downtown with a beverage in hand?

[FOTD]

How do you like that northbound lane of Harvard crossing 41st, Cannon?  That's a rough one.

In the last 25 years that intersection has been redone at least 6 times to no solution. Public diswerks.