Shake and Bake Meth? Only in Tulsa....

[Wilbur]

Pseudo is still the main ingredient you must have.  Being allowed to purchase 9 grams per month worked until the meth-heads figured out the shake-n-bake.  Part of the purchase price of meth now includes boxes of pseudo.

I predict Oklahoma, which is one of the leaders in the nation with shake-n-bake, will go the way of Oregon....  pseudo will become prescription only.  Just wait.

[nathanm]

Pseudo is still the main ingredient you must have.  Being allowed to purchase 9 grams per month worked until the meth-heads figured out the shake-n-bake.  Part of the purchase price of meth now includes boxes of pseudo.

I predict Oklahoma, which is one of the leaders in the nation with shake-n-bake, will go the way of Oregon....  pseudo will become prescription only.  Just wait.

Yay, so I get to spend $150 to go see a doctor and tell him about the fact that I can't fly without a decongestant unless I want to be in severe pain, then pay three times what it should cost to buy the Sudafed.

Not that I expect any different response from law enforcement. When at first you don't succeed, double down.

As a general rule, when your enforcement efforts start injuring innocent people, you should stop what you're doing, put your thinking cap on, and come up with a better solution.

[Red Arrow]

Nathan,

Spend the $150 (or copay if you have insurance) and get the Dr. to recommend a substitute.  There are some, even non-drowsy if you are flight crew. Your results may vary.

[FOTD]

Yay, so I get to spend $150 to go see a doctor and tell him about the fact that I can't fly without a decongestant unless I want to be in severe pain, then pay three times what it should cost to buy the Sudafed.

Not that I expect any different response from law enforcement. When at first you don't succeed, double down.

As a general rule, when your enforcement efforts start injuring innocent people, you should stop what you're doing, put your thinking cap on, and come up with a better solution.

Two words....neti pot. Now, this post is not about the herb. And if you do this method, be sure to clean your nose after in case the salt sticks to your nostrils. Otherwise, you will look like a coke addict...

[nathanm]

Spend the $150 (or copay if you have insurance) and get the Dr. to recommend a substitute.  There are some, even non-drowsy if you are flight crew. Your results may vary.

If there were reasonable non-prescription substitutes, Johnson & Johnson wouldn't have switched their retail formulation to use the utterly useless phenylephrine.

Well, there is a good substitute, actually. Pseudoephedrine. Apparently (I've been doing some reading today) the molecule can be either left-handed or right-handed. Only the right-handed version can be used in methamphetamine production. Sadly, left-handed pseudoephedrine is patented by Pfizer, who has thus far refused to spend the money to get it approved by the FDA.

And FOTD, a neti pot won't do anything to clear my eustachian tubes, which are the source of my issue, not nasal congestion.

[FOTD]

If there were reasonable non-prescription substitutes, Johnson & Johnson wouldn't have switched their retail formulation to use the utterly useless phenylephrine.

Well, there is a good substitute, actually. Pseudoephedrine. Apparently (I've been doing some reading today) the molecule can be either left-handed or right-handed. Only the right-handed version can be used in methamphetamine production. Sadly, left-handed pseudoephedrine is patented by Pfizer, who has thus far refused to spend the money to get it approved by the FDA.

And FOTD, a neti pot won't do anything to clear my eustachian tubes, which are the source of my issue, not nasal congestion.

Try inversions...

[nathanm]

Try inversions...

That's pretty hard to do when I'm not the one piloting the aircraft.

[Red Arrow]

If there were reasonable non-prescription substitutes, Johnson & Johnson wouldn't have switched their retail formulation to use the utterly useless phenylephrine.

Well, there is a good substitute, actually. Pseudoephedrine. Apparently (I've been doing some reading today) the molecule can be either left-handed or right-handed. Only the right-handed version can be used in methamphetamine production. Sadly, left-handed pseudoephedrine is patented by Pfizer, who has thus far refused to spend the money to get it approved by the FDA.

And FOTD, a neti pot won't do anything to clear my eustachian tubes, which are the source of my issue, not nasal congestion.

Check on your Sudafed box for the active ingredient.  I used to use WalMart generic (Equate) which I believe was Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride which I thought was the same as Sudafed.  I don't have any more because it ran my pulse up.  I tried Equate Non-Drowsy Loratadine which is generic for over the counter Claratin, I think.  It doesn't work quite as good but it provides acceptable relief.  Again, your results may vary.

[nathanm]

Check on your Sudafed box for the active ingredient.  I used to use WalMart generic (Equate) which I believe was Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride which I thought was the same as Sudafed.  I don't have any more because it ran my pulse up.  I tried Equate Non-Drowsy Loratadine which is generic for over the counter Claratin, I think.  It doesn't work quite as good but it provides acceptable relief.  Again, your results may vary.

Loratadine is the opposite of what I need. It dries up mucous membranes. Pseudoephedrine clears my blockages by making them more fluid.

It's somewhat ironic that I can be suffering a nosebleed from dryness at the same time my ears are blocked up.

I could switch to one of a couple of different varieties of nasal spray, but they have a risk of dependence as well as rebound issues that pseudoephedrine does not have. Better than risking a burst eardrum, I suppose, but still quite suboptimal. I guess I should just be thankful I'm not flight crew, so I don't have to be constantly dosed.

[Red Arrow]

Loratadine is the opposite of what I need. It dries up mucous membranes. Pseudoephedrine clears my blockages by making them more fluid.

It's somewhat ironic that I can be suffering a nosebleed from dryness at the same time my ears are blocked up.

I could switch to one of a couple of different varieties of nasal spray, but they have a risk of dependence as well as rebound issues that pseudoephedrine does not have. Better than risking a burst eardrum, I suppose, but still quite suboptimal. I guess I should just be thankful I'm not flight crew, so I don't have to be constantly dosed.

Well, I'm out of ideas.  Good Luck.

[nathanm]

Well, I'm out of ideas.  Good Luck.

Thanks for the brainstorm, anyway.

[RecycleMichael]

When Grandma shot Grandpa in the head, it sure cleared up his sinuses.

[Red Arrow]

When Grandma shot Grandpa in the head, it sure cleared up his sinuses.

I'll bet it was drafty in the winter.