House Votes to Suspend Acorn Funds After Video Uproar

[nathanm]

I can only assume you are referring to the 47 page report, specifically pages 11-14 (or thereabouts) when the author discusses the edits to the videos. I did not see the word "lying" (in any connection much less towards Giles and O'Keefe) or that these two were "mak[ing] smile up" anywhere in those pages as you stated--unless you are referring to their  story that they were a pimp and prostitute looking for help which of course would be ridiculous. Since you most assuredly read the entire report before you posted (as opposed to just reading a news article that discussed the report or read something on a lefty website), could you direct me to where specifically in the report the author says they in fact were lying or that otherwise supports your suggestion that they were making smile up?

My contention is that editing the video without disclosure is lying. Just like the Reuters photographer who doctored his photograph to make the war in Lebanon look more "interesting."

Earlier in the thread when this story first broke, I provided support for my contention that they were not being truthful about their actions in interviews after they released the video.

[guido911]

My contention is that editing the video without disclosure is lying. Just like the Reuters photographer who doctored his photograph to make the war in Lebanon look more "interesting."

Earlier in the thread when this story first broke, I provided support for my contention that they were not being truthful about their actions in interviews after they released the video.

[nathanm]

I wish I were that talented.

[FOTD]

That's Guido in the right part of the picture. He doesn't backtrack. He disappears instead.

This devil does not recall Guido objecting to the investigator before the report was released...

[Hoss]

Oh no!  Federal Court rules suspension of Acorn funds is unconstitutional?  The Fox News Talking Heads will likely look much like Scanners before too long!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/us/politics/12acorn.html?_r=1

[Hoss]

Hate to keep bumping, but now it's getting funny...

ACORN gotcha man among four arrested for attempting to tamper with Mary Landrieu's office phones

So now will all of those wingnuts who were calling the ACORN scandal illegal call this illegal as well?  It also includes an arrest of a sitting District Judge's son!

[Conan71]

Hate to keep bumping, but now it's getting funny...

ACORN gotcha man among four arrested for attempting to tamper with Mary Landrieu's office phones

So now will all of those wingnuts who were calling the ACORN scandal illegal call this illegal as well?  It also includes an arrest of a sitting District Judge's son!

Nah, that's only illegal when Democrats do it. 

[FOTD]

Coco, nice smiley face. more like a smirk.

Hoss, stay on them....sniff sniff.

[Ed W]

Oddly enough, Michelle Malkin wrote this:

"This is neither a time to joke nor a time to recklessly accuse Democrats/liberals of setting this up — nor a time to whine about media coverage double standards."

Anyone wanna bet she'll blame unnamed 'Democrats/liberals' for this by tomorrow afternoon?

[Conan71]

Oddly enough, Michelle Malkin wrote this:

"This is neither a time to joke nor a time to recklessly accuse Democrats/liberals of setting this up — nor a time to whine about media coverage double standards."

Anyone wanna bet she'll blame unnamed 'Democrats/liberals' for this by tomorrow afternoon?

It's funny Ed, I probably hear more quotes by consrvative pundits from my Democrat friends. Other than having to suffer through Hannity to get accurate traffic on the way home I pay little attention to them these days.

[Hoss]

It's funny Ed, I probably hear more quotes by consrvative pundits from my Democrat friends. Other than having to suffer through Hannity to get accurate traffic on the way home I pay little attention to them these days.

I think, Coco, it's because some of the quotes are so outlandish (especially from Beck) that you actually have to find a YouTube of it somewhere to verify its authenticity.

Fox has Beck brainwashed.  He was actually watchable in his days on CNN/HLN; but I'm not sure if these guys go through re-programming (AKA the Edict as thrown down by Roger Ailes) when they get to FNC or what.

[FOTD]

It's funny Ed, I probably hear more quotes by consrvative pundits from my Democrat friends. Other than having to suffer through Hannity to get accurate traffic on the way home I pay little attention to them these days.

Get serious Sirius CoCo....that's a lame excuse for where you get your talking points.

[Ed W]

I think it's best to remember that the right-wing talk radio crowd has one imperative above all others - selling advertising time.  The outrageous, unfounded accusations draw the listeners and build the numbers for those advertisers.  That's why Faux News tried to say that Rush, Hannity, Beck, et al, are NOT doing news shows - though as Jon Stewart pointed out - their shows are indistinguishable from the rest of Faux.

Stewart and Colbert could arguably be the only success stories for 'liberal' news, mainly because they treat it as satire and revel in pointing out hypocrisy - from either end of the political spectrum.

The Faux model didn't work for Air America, though.  Maybe left-wing listeners are more likely to be turned off by hyperbole and vitriol.  Maybe they have other things to do rather than listen to radio.  It'll be interesting to read the post-mortem.   

[Gaspar]

I think it's best to remember that the right-wing talk radio crowd has one imperative above all others - selling advertising time.  The outrageous, unfounded accusations draw the listeners and build the numbers for those advertisers.  That's why Faux News tried to say that Rush, Hannity, Beck, et al, are NOT doing news shows - though as Jon Stewart pointed out - their shows are indistinguishable from the rest of Faux.

Stewart and Colbert could arguably be the only success stories for 'liberal' news, mainly because they treat it as satire and revel in pointing out hypocrisy - from either end of the political spectrum.

The Faux model didn't work for Air America, though.  Maybe left-wing listeners are more likely to be turned off by hyperbole and vitriol.  Maybe they have other things to do rather than listen to radio.  It'll be interesting to read the post-mortem.   

Ed,
Very well put. I enjoy your posts.  Don't usually agree with you but at least you are an excellent communicator and thoughtful in how you present your opinions. 

I opted to listen to Air America several times on XM a year or so ago, and found that I couldn't' get away with it at work.  The profanity was a problem.  F-bombs constantly.  There was also very little information presented, and an obvious underlying hatred for all things commercial and free market. 

I assume it is very difficult to sell COMMERCIALS when you present opinions that can be perceived as anti commercial.  I also assume that Snapple is not going to advertise during a Janeane Garofalo segment where she just spews anger and uses profanity.  Never really figured out what she was talking about except she did not like President Bush.

I don't know if I listened at the wrong time or if my obvious admiration of capitalism got in the way of my ability to comprehend the message, but Air America seemed to push a very socialist agenda that I don't think any advertiser would want to attach themselves too.  In fact, I don't think I ever heard an ad?

[Ed W]

Gaspar - thanks for the kind words.  We don't have to agree, but I believe we have to treat each other with respect.  We have to present the very best arguments we can, while keeping in mind that attacking ideas is not the same as attacking the person.  I have friends and co-workers who are truly admirable people despite the fact that we have fundamental disagreements.

That said - just realize that I'm always right, unless She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed is in the room.

I've never listened to any of the satellite radio stuff.  It's just not in the budget.  But I do like getting different viewpoints, particularly foreign ones.  That once meant listening to shortwave broadcasts from Deutsche Welle, Radio Moscow, the BBC, and those wild and crazy guys from Radio Tirana, where every bad thing that happened that day was due to American imperialism and Zionist aggression.  (Yes, I'm clearly revealing that I'm both a geek and an old fart!)  Of course, this being Oklahoma, 'foreign' news comes from the New York Times, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, or that redoubt of Steel City liberalism, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette.  I loves me these internets!