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Started by GG, September 17, 2009, 08:52:04 PM

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guido911

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nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 06:03:05 PM
And now the charges against O'Keefe in Watergate Jr. have been reduced:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125228538

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The new charges are contained in a bill of information, which can only be filed with a defendant's consent and typically signals a plea deal.

Oh, no! Not another plea bargain! We might make it up to 98% of criminal prosecutions being plead out!  :P

Seriously, the way you phrased that implies that there was something lacking about the evidence to convict in this case, when in all probability (I guess we'll know in a few days) the prosecutor preferred to spend his time prosecuting other cases and offered a plea bargain, as they all do. Way. too. much.
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guido911

Quote from: nathanm on March 26, 2010, 06:20:44 PM
Oh, no! Not another plea bargain! We might make it up to 98% of criminal prosecutions being plead out!  :P

Seriously, the way you phrased that implies that there was something lacking about the evidence to convict in this case, when in all probability (I guess we'll know in a few days) the prosecutor preferred to spend his time prosecuting other cases and offered a plea bargain, as they all do. Way. too. much.

Wow, what incite. If only I could manage to have that kind of information about a prosecutor I have never met and is in another state.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 06:25:25 PM
Wow, what incite. If only I could manage to have that kind of information about a prosecutor I have never met and is in another state.
It doesn't take insight into the particular prosecutor, it takes insight into the system (and, you know, reading the whole article). Perhaps you could ask a criminal defense attorney how it works.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Hoss

Quote from: nathanm on March 26, 2010, 07:02:44 PM
It doesn't take insight into the particular prosecutor, it takes insight into the system (and, you know, reading the whole article). Perhaps you could ask a criminal defense attorney how it works.

Snap!

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on March 26, 2010, 07:02:44 PM
It doesn't take insight into the particular prosecutor, it takes insight into the system (and, you know, reading the whole article). Perhaps you could ask a criminal defense attorney how it works.

Okay, I'll ask MYSELF since I WORKED as an attorney on criminal cases (have you?), and I would have thought given that a U.S. Senator was involved more would have been done to smack O'Keefe. Also, I would never dare lecture an attorney about the "system" as a freakin layperson. Ballsy though. As for the original charges against O'Keefe and the media's response, does anyone remember that doosh David Shuster's twitter:

http://twitter.com/DavidShuster/status/8265042783

As for the article, what about it are you referring to?
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nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 08:48:48 PM
As for the article, what about it are you referring to?
The part I bolded.

I'm just not understanding what it is you think is so significant or unusual about this development?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on March 27, 2010, 12:10:18 AM
The part I bolded.

I'm just not understanding what it is you think is so significant or unusual about this development?

Nothing in bold indicates that the prosecutor took a plea so he/she could lessen a workload. We will see. This is significant because of the all out media assault (and in this forum) on O'Keefe because he dared to expose ACORN for the frauds they are.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

fotd

Meanwhile, Ofairy and his droogs plea bargain to keep from a fine of $250,000 and 10 years in prison. Future burglars?

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on March 27, 2010, 02:33:11 PM
Nothing in bold indicates that the prosecutor took a plea so he/she could lessen a workload.
That is the usual reason for plea agreements, though, isn't it?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

swake

Quote from: fotd on March 27, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
Meanwhile, Ofairy and his droogs plea bargain to keep from a fine of $250,000 and 10 years in prison. Future burglars?

Maybe he go and work on that traitor patriot G Gordon Liddy's radio show, two peas in a pod.

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on March 27, 2010, 02:53:14 PM
That is the usual reason for plea agreements, though, isn't it?

In some cases. It could also be that the evidence did not support the charge.
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guido911

Quote from: swake on March 28, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Maybe he go and work on that traitor patriot G Gordon Liddy's radio show, two peas in a pod.

What was that BS about me always insulting people. hypocrisy.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

swake

Quote from: guido911 on March 28, 2010, 12:42:37 PM
What was that BS about me always insulting people. hypocrisy.

It's not an insult, G Gordon Liddy (who is not a poster here as far as I know) was convicted of trying to subvert a presidential election. That certainly makes him a traitor, that's he's propped up by the a huge portion of the right wing as a conservative icon is sickening.

Queue Guid's standard some random action by a very marginal leftwinger nut job as justification......

guido911

Quote from: swake on March 28, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
It's not an insult, G Gordon Liddy (who is not a poster here as far as I know) was convicted of trying to subvert a presidential election. That certainly makes him a traitor, that's he's propped up by the a huge portion of the right wing as a conservative icon is sickening.

Queue Guid's standard some random action by a very marginal leftwinger nut job as justification......

Oh what freakin ever Swake. The insult I was going after you your attack on O'Keefe whom you likened to Liddy ("two peas in a pod"). Is O'Keefe a traitor because he exposed your beloved ACORN for the scum they are? You know, the same ACORN that is just COINCIDENTALLY disbanding and contemplating bankruptcy?

And if your super worried about me hurting the feelings of a forum member by ME calling him "oh genius one" (after that poster made the ____ number "idiot" attack on Palin), maybe you should stop reading the politics forum and grow a pair.

As to your last point, your attempt to preempt a possible response by me, I do not feel the need to point out the nuts on your side. This forum is laden with double standard bearers and I am frankly left to do nothing but laugh at their hypocritical attacks on repubs when just two years ago they were saying the same things about Bush.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.