Sally Kern's new opponent, Finkle/Einhorn

[Conan71]

She applied to have her gender on her DL changed to "female" in 2006 but she had not actually had the surgery yet so was denied. She has not reapplied so one can assume she still hasn't had the surgery. So at this point it's a "Man who wants to be a woman" not a "Man who became a woman"

Some of the discovery channel stuff I've seen talks about how much biologically goes into what is a man or a woman other than the obvious accessories and a decent percentage of people who end up somewhere in between. Jamie Lee Curtis is supposedly one of them for example.

To me, don't say you are now a woman unless you get the surgery to change it.

Yeah, but I like Jamie Lee's obvious accessories!

[waterboy]

But, but...I was attracted to Jamie Lee. Am I catching the gay?

[Townsend]

But, but...I was attracted to Jamie Lee. Am I catching the gay?

The EPA is checking the river water for it.

[buckeye]

I'm sure this comes off as terrifically insensitive, but nobody's ever been able to explain to me why transgendered pursuits aren't classified as some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.  It's a fixation on a perceived bodily flaw, right?  Whether it comes along with emotional difficulties, I don't know.

[rwarn17588]

Sally Kern is an amazing woman. I love her courage to stand up for what is right. We need more people like her!

Yet more evidence to my contention that Cubs' persona is a parody of right-wing zealots.

[Red Arrow]

Sorry RA, I just had to correct it a bit more.

No problem.

[sgrizzle]

I'm sure this comes off as terrifically insensitive, but nobody's ever been able to explain to me why transgendered pursuits aren't classified as some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.  It's a fixation on a perceived bodily flaw, right?  Whether it comes along with emotional difficulties, I don't know.

Because it's not just about the.. accessories.

[buckeye]

That's true.  Otherwise, it'd be, "I'm a man and I want [as part of my body] a vagina and other physical  implements of womanhood.  But I'm still a man."  Or, "My penis just isn't clitoris-shaped ENOUGH.  It's faulty!"

Ok, this is going nowhere, sorry.  Carry on.

[cannon_fodder]

I don't find the question, as posed, to be offensive at all.  It's an honest question buckeye. 

Body dysmorphic disorder is a type of chronic mental illness in which you can't stop thinking about a flaw with your appearance — a flaw either that is minor or that you imagine. But to you, your appearance seems so shameful and distressing that you don't want to be seen by anyone. Body dysmorphic disorder has sometimes been called "imagined ugliness."

When you have body dysmorphic disorder, you intensely obsess over your appearance and body image, often for many hours a day. You may seek out numerous cosmetic procedures to try to "fix" your perceived flaws but never are satisfied. Body dysmorphic disorder is also known as dysmorphophobia, or the fear of having a deformity.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/body-dysmorphic-disorder/DS00559

To play your devil's advocate, a transgendered person is not perceiving a minor flaw or imagining one.  If mentally you are a female but you have a penis, that is a serious and real physical flaw.  And I don't think most of them view it as "shameful or distressing,"  just that it doesn't fit them.  To accept that explanation one must accept that transgendered people really do feel as if they are the "wrong" sex, otherwise it is just a matter of physical perception.  It might also have something to do with the degenerate nature of the disease:  most transsexual/transgender people "correct" the problem by cross dressing or surgery and move on while other diseases are destructive (I suppose "self corrective surgery" would be highly destructive, but I don't really hear about that).

Frankly, the entire situation is so alien to me all I can do is TRY to understand.  But to be very blunt, if a Sam wants to tuck/remove his penis, dress in heals, and change his name to Samantha . . . it doesn't effect my life one way or another.  Hence, I have no problem with it.

[jamesrage]

Hey, Boo Boo, its not courageous to be a conservative, right winger in Oklahoma. Or to be in the oil business, or to rebuke gays, or to be against liberals, immigrants, Obama  and health care reform.

It looks like we'll retain our ability to make the rest of the country snicker.

To a certain degree you are right. What is actually controversial in this state is to be Gay, Liberal , support illegal immigration, be anti-gun, support Obama, support socialized medicine or support gay marriage. So this fake outrage over Kern's opinions is idiotic.

[USRufnex]

Fake outrage?

Here's the quote:

Homosexuality is "the biggest threat that our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam."

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxk7glmMbo

If you're not outraged by crap like this, I don't know what to tell you.

[Red Arrow]

If you're not outraged by crap like this, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm sure you will think of something, you always do.

[waterboy]

To a certain degree you are right. What is actually controversial in this state is to be Gay, Liberal , support illegal immigration, be anti-gun, support Obama, support socialized medicine or support gay marriage. So this fake outrage over Kern's opinions is idiotic.

Really James. I mean really. Take out the words "controversial", "support illegal", "anti-gun", "socialized medicine" and "gay marriage". I never said any of those phrases. Not much left when you do. I guess that's what they mean by spin. My point is that it is hardly "COURAGEOUS" to have those views.

But I do agree with your sentiment. Kern's views are hardly surprising or unusual around these parts. They are still outrageous beliefs. What the heck were the state Dems thinking? Why not just stipulate that we can't win that particular race and spend the money elsewhere?

[jamesrage]

Really James. I mean really. Take out the words "controversial", "support illegal", "anti-gun", "socialized medicine" and "gay marriage". I never said any of those phrases. Not much left when you do. I guess that's what they mean by spin. My point is that it is hardly "COURAGEOUS" to have those views.

But I do agree with your sentiment. Kern's views are hardly surprising or unusual around these parts. They are still outrageous beliefs. What the heck were the state Dems thinking? Why not just stipulate that we can't win that particular race and spend the money elsewhere?

As long as they waste there money somewhere then there is less money to spend elsewhere. Although a Oklahoma democrat is probably more conservative than a New York or Massachusetts republican.

[waterboy]

As long as they waste there money somewhere then there is less money to spend elsewhere. Although a Oklahoma democrat is probably more conservative than a New York or Massachusetts republican.

You got that right. Boren would be a republican anywhere else.