Sally Kern's new opponent, Finkle/Einhorn

[jamesrage]

Fake outrage?

Here's the quote:

Homosexuality is "the biggest threat that our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam."

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxk7glmMbo

If you're not outraged by crap like this, I don't know what to tell you.

What I am outraged by is the media silence anytime there is homosexual/tranny indoctrination going on in some of the schools across the country or when a democrat does some smile, but yet some unknown republican politician makes a comment about radical gays the liberal media shits a fucken brick. Just another example of liberal media hypocrisy. Republican cheats on his wife and it is news for days or even weeks or if there is some alleged solicitation for gay sex it involving a unknown republican its gets coverage for weeks. But yet a democrat cheats of his hospitalized wife it gets mentioned only for a day or two and if he cheated on his hospitalized with another man then he is a brave man for coming out of the closet(in a liberal state) and gets invited to talk on Oprah to not talk about what a scumbag he is but for what a brave man he is.

I think what she said is an exageration but I am not appalled nor outraged. The only thing I am outraged about this whole thing is the nerve of people from other districts and other states demanding that she resign and the vile hate email they sent that woman.

[jamesrage]

You got that right. Boren would be a republican anywhere else.

He would probably be labeled a right wing extremist by Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney if ran against one those two in that area of the country.

[USRufnex]

No.  He wouldn't.  Boren endorsed Obama...
Thanks for sharing your insight on "that area of the country."
Let us know where else you've lived to be able to share that kind of perspective.....
Oh, and keep playing the victim card there, James, it suits you.   

[PonderInc]

I'm sure this comes off as terrifically insensitive, but nobody's ever been able to explain to me why transgendered pursuits aren't classified as some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.  It's a fixation on a perceived bodily flaw, right?  Whether it comes along with emotional difficulties, I don't know.

Buckeye, I don't know if you're a man or a woman, but let's assume you're a straight guy.  You've always known you were a guy, you are happy being a guy, you think like a guy, and you've always been attracted to women.  Now you look down and see that you were born with a woman's body.  How does that make you feel?  Everybody treats you like a woman.  How does that make you feel?  Men come on to you.  But, remember, you're a straight guy, who likes woman.

This isn't the same thing as being a body-builder who thinks he's skinny, or an anorexic who thinks she's fat.

My knowledge of this topic is limited, but I do know one person who has "transitioned."  You have to live openly for a certain period of time as a man or woman (depending on what you are on the inside) before anyone will perform the surgery.  Then, you have to be able to afford the surgery.  Many people have to go to other countries to get it done.  (Thailand is apparantly a great option.)  But just b/c you haven't done the surgery, doesn't change the reality of who you are, which is defined from the inside out.

I know plenty of guys with man boobs.  It doesn't make them a woman.

[sgrizzle]

No.  He wouldn't.  Boren endorsed Obama...

So did Colin Powell

[jamesrage]

No.  He wouldn't.

Yes he would.
He supports the right to bear arms, is against gay marriage, rated 82% by the National Right to Life Committee, Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance, Voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman, Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent in 2005, has a hard anti-drug stance, Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on "God" in Pledge of Allegiance, Pro-2nd amendment, Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border and Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project.

http://ontheissues.org/House/Dan_Boren.htm

  Boren endorsed Obama...

A democrat tow=eing party like to support another democrat just I am sure a lot of conservative republicans in other parts of the country toed the party line and supported John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. It doesn't change the fact that those are liberals and if someone with their same views ran here would have to do so as a liberal democrat and most likely would get their donkey stomped by a conservative democrat.

[buckeye]

Ponder, thanks for the additional thoughts.

It very quickly gets into tricky questions of gender.  To me, hardware is essentially permanent - software is subject to bugs but is also largely re-writable.  Not only that, but the hardware to some significant degree dictates what you run on it.  Now when the hardware is funky from the factory, well then you have some real questions...

You're right, I've always been happy as a straight man and can't make any sense of why somebody in my shoes would do things any differently.  Not hateful, just the way I see it.  Maybe not on this forum, but I once pontificated about a guy working nearby who always wears women's shoes and very tight fitting girl cut pants.  He walks funny, likely as a result of his fashion choices.  I thought he put himself in a bad spot, as he makes a concerted effort to ignore one of the chief advantages of his gender and what people expect of it - comfortable clothing.

[Red Arrow]

one of the chief advantages of his gender and what people expect of it - comfortable clothing.

Plenty of guys are still slaves to uncomfortable fashion.

I vote against coat and tie.  I certainly vote for loose, non-constricting pants.

[buckeye]

Pshaw, good sir!  If a coat and tie is the most uncomfortable thing in a man's wardrobe, we're still well winning the comfort race.  I'd much rather wear tails all day than pointy high-heeled shoes for an hour.

[Townsend]

Oklahoma City attorney Brittany Novotny, a Democrat, on Tuesday filed to run for the seat held by Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20100608_298_0_OKLAHO225022

[PonderInc]

Looks like Novotny should win based on brains AND looks...

[Cats Cats Cats]

It must sting when the woman who used to be a man wins the looks category.

[Ed W]

Here's a straightforward question - how does one's genitalia matter when it comes to doing the people's business?  I thought ideas and issues were the important bits.

[PonderInc]

So true, Ed!  But there must be something important about those other bits... Something must explain why Oklahoma ranks 49th in the nation for women serving in the state legislature...

Simultaneously (what a surprise!) Oklahoma ranks near the bottom of all states for women's issues such as health and well being, insurance coverage, reproductive rights, equitable pay, college education, business ownership, etc.

Sadly, Sally Kern proves that not every woman is an advocate for women...or Oklahomans in general.

[Ed W]

We complain when politicians won't discuss anything of substance, and instead substitute sound bites with simple answers to complex questions.  We get politicians who claim to be the same 'common men' as the rest of us.  You'll excuse me, please, but I don't want an average guy or gal making public policy.  I want my representative, my senator, my governor, or my president to be the smartest guy in the room.  I don't want common.  I want extraordinary. 

Sadly, far too many of our political class play to the cheap seats, tailoring their campaigns and their rhetoric to what will get them elected rather than what will serve their constituents.  They lie to us.  We know they lie to us, yet they get elected anyway. 

(Topic creep)  That may be one effect of California's change in the primary system.  They elected to go to an open primary.  You vote for whoever you like, regardless of party affiliation.  The two candidates with the highest vote counts face each other in the general election - again - regardless of their party.  The hope is that this will cause more centrist candidates to reach the general election rather than ideologues.