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Mark Perkins, does he have a chance?

Started by SXSW, September 30, 2009, 01:42:25 PM

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custosnox

Quote from: FOTD on October 21, 2009, 11:24:51 PM
You'd vote for a complete novice for our Mayor?
And the other candidates have had how much experiance as mayor of a city?

OpenYourEyesTulsa

He has a chance but I worry.  I think a lot of people that are fed up with Bartlett and Adelson are just not going to vote and that is sad.  Some people don't even know about Perkins so I hope he gets his name out there with more advertising.  Bartlett and Adelson are scared of Perkins being taken seriously because they know he can take votes from both of them.  I like Mark Perkins and I hate both parties.

rwarn17588

Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on October 22, 2009, 08:14:54 AM
He has a chance but I worry.  I think a lot of people that are fed up with Bartlett and Adelson are just not going to vote and that is sad.  Some people don't even know about Perkins so I hope he gets his name out there with more advertising.  Bartlett and Adelson are scared of Perkins being taken seriously because they know he can take votes from both of them.  I like Mark Perkins and I hate both parties.

Please. Perkins has no chance. Yes, he may hurt one of the candidates by peeling away a few votes. But the major parties have such a huge advantage -- especially with two candidates who have major name recognition -- that a nobody such as Perkins has zero odds of winning.

Saying Perkins has a chance is like those fools four years ago who insisted that Ben Faulk had a chance, too. But Faulk ended up with Paul Tay-type numbers.

Conan71

Quote from: rwarn17588 on October 22, 2009, 08:56:26 AM
Please. Perkins has no chance. Yes, he may hurt one of the candidates by peeling away a few votes. But the major parties have such a huge advantage -- especially with two candidates who have major name recognition -- that a nobody such as Perkins has zero odds of winning.

Saying Perkins has a chance is like those fools four years ago who insisted that Ben Faulk had a chance, too. But Faulk ended up with Paul Tay-type numbers.

Not voting for a candidate who may be well-qualified because he or she "doesn't have a chance" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.  I know of people who would vote for him but think it's throwing away a vote.  If people would get over that notion and vote their conscience on this race, he probably would have a chance.

I honestly, in all good conscience can't see myself voting for Adelson or Bartlet (sic).  Their snipey campaigns have been a complete turn-off.  Tom should have let the negative ads roll off his back, ignore them and run on issues instead of getting snared into an ugly pissing contest which has highlighted an ill temperment.  How's that going to play out when there's a conflict with the city council if he can't even deal with an adversarial candidate in an election?  I don't see many good character qualities in Dewey either that are going to help him as an administrator.  Just more of the GOB network.

I think Perkins deserves a second look.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

rwarn17588

Quote from: Conan71 on October 22, 2009, 09:17:35 AM
Not voting for a candidate who may be well-qualified because he or she "doesn't have a chance" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.  I know of people who would vote for him but think it's throwing away a vote.  If people would get over that notion and vote their conscience on this race, he probably would have a chance.


That's making the rash assumption that people care enough about Perkins to "vote their conscience" and give him a fighting shot. But history all but guarantees otherwise.

Third-party candidates simply don't do well, unless they're well-known celebrities such as Jesse Ventura.

If you want to vote for him, fine. I have no problem with that. I've done it myself.

But the question was asked of whether Perkins has a chance, and he doesn't. That's just the way it is.

MichaelBates

Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 01, 2009, 09:27:58 AM
Death to the two party system.  Worst thing to EVER happen to American politics. 

It's a natural consequence of our voting system:

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In political science, Duverger's law is a principle which asserts that a plurality rule election system tends to favor a two-party system....

A two-party system often develops from the single-member district plurality voting system (SMDP). In an SMDP system, voters have a single vote which they can cast for a single candidate in their district, in which only one legislative seat is available. The winner of the seat is determined by the candidate with the most votes. This means that the SMDP system has several qualities that can serve to discourage the development of third parties and reward the two major parties....

Duverger himself did not regard his principle as absolute. Instead he suggested that SMDP would act to delay the emergence of a new political force, and would accelerate the elimination of a weakening force — PR would have the opposite effect.


FOTD

We have a three party system....the GOP has been bisected.

CoCo, get a breathalyser on Perky. Didn't we go through this with Bush and a previous mayor?

Alchies hangin' together?

SXSW

This TW cartoon sums it up pretty well..

 

Conan71

Quote from: FOTD on October 22, 2009, 01:07:39 PM
We have a three party system....the GOP has been bisected.

CoCo, get a breathalyser on Perky. Didn't we go through this with Bush and a previous mayor?

Alchies hangin' together?


At least I'm willing to admit I made a mistake in choosing a candidate if there's something that surfaces down the road that I don't like in a candidate.

I have no clue about Perkins personal life.  You seem to know quite a bit about it.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

FOTD

Quote from: Conan71 on October 22, 2009, 01:41:17 PM
At least I'm willing to admit I made a mistake in choosing a candidate if there's something that surfaces down the road that I don't like in a candidate.

I have no clue about Perkins personal life.  You seem to know quite a bit about it.


Politicians should have to go through a psychological profile evaluation....and the public should be exposed to the results before the vote.

custosnox

Quote from: FOTD on October 22, 2009, 02:41:40 PM

Politicians should have to go through a psychological profile evaluation....and the public should be exposed to the results before the vote.
First you would have to assume that the majority of the population would understand such results, which quiet frankly most wouldn't.  Second, given this criteria, we wouldn't have any poloticians. 

FOTD

Quote from: custosnox on October 22, 2009, 02:57:13 PM
First you would have to assume that the majority of the population would understand such results, which quiet frankly most wouldn't.  Second, given this criteria, we wouldn't have any poloticians. 

My point exactly....ergo the ego, these guys are all koo koo.

custosnox

Quote from: FOTD on October 22, 2009, 03:09:02 PM
My point exactly....ergo the ego, these guys are all koo koo.
As is everyone else, as long as you read the "psychological profile" at the right angle.  Kinda like people who refer to themselves in the third person are often narcissistic and possibly even suffering from a dissociative disorder.

Conan71

Quote from: custosnox on October 22, 2009, 03:33:20 PM
As is everyone else, as long as you read the "psychological profile" at the right angle.  Kinda like people who refer to themselves in the third person are often narcissistic and possibly even suffering from a dissociative disorder.

That just caused me to pierce the silence in my office with roaring laughter.  I think they are going to call Parkside on me.

Great one!
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

FOTD

Hey, FOTD is more exposed than any of you people. Just being on this forum categorizes you in with me. Why do you think Guido goes dark. He's gonna freak one day when he finds out we are in the same room. Crushie too.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson