COBURN MUST RESIGN!

[Conan71]

You really don't understand that these "family value" politicians use that positioning to represent the corporations...and not the people who gave them their power. The unemployed and underclass sure aren't represnted by the christian mafia nor the c streeters....that's for sure. But they carry the banner for anti government measures through reducing the deficits they created in the first place. Funny how their policies always place the company before the people.

Are you under the illusion that these Democrat politicians who claim to be for the average worker, but who take perks and contributions from banksters, insurance companies, mortgage companies, medical providers, and other corporations are really in DC working for the poor un-washed masses?  Bwah hah hah hah hah hah (and so on--long diabolical laugh that would scare even the devil himself)

[cannon_fodder]

Conan, you forgot "Tort reform", green initiatives, immigration . . . well, frankly, just about every policy of either party has a direct correlation to a business interest.  In some instances both sides are on the payroll of the same industry, but usually to a lesser extent one way or another.  With only two parties you really only have two different positions you have to bribe persuade.

Death to the two party system!

[Conan71]

Death to the two party system!

Absolutely!  I'm all for a seven party system.  One every night!

[okiebybirth]

If she is an agnostic lesbian then calling her such is no worse than calling out "the religious right."

I disagree.  Calling her a angry agnostic lesbian to dismiss what she says is demeaning her on account of her sexual orientation. 

Dismiss her comments because you don't like her ideas or attack her because of her liberal ideas which pertains to the discussion.

Dismissing her comments by saying "angry agnostic lesbian" is attacking her orientation which attacks all gays and lesbians by demeaning everyone.  If she was black, would you dismiss her by saying she's just a "angry agnostic African-American" (or worse)?  I doubt you would.  You'd attack what she stood for, not the color of her skin.

I don't need a apology and I don't think Conan would intentionally attack a group of people like that.  It takes a lot more than name calling to hurt my feelings, but I don't think we should turn a blind eye when someone says something that demeans a whole group. 

[cannon_fodder]

okiebybirth:

What if she IS a an angry agnostic lesbian?  Is it kosher to point it out? 

It only demeans people if you take being called agnostic or lesbian as a negative.  To me, neither is patently offensive.  If someone called me a smart-donkey heathen hetero, it isn't really a derogatory comment. 

Likewise, I don't think describing Malcolm X as an "angry black Muslim" is offensive.   In that one phrase I have described what many people deem important about him.  He was largely an angry man.  He was black.  And he was Muslim.  He let those three traits define him.

I can not speak to the subject of "angry agnostic lesbian,"  but in and of itself I don't view it as insulting. 

Was it meant to dismiss her comments?  I think so.  So in that light it probably is derogatory.   But I do not believe it is patently so nor do I think it has any reflection on a particular community at large. For that matter, it was just a flippant comment.

Maybe I'm not P.C. enough?  But you raise a fair point and I appreciate the discussion.

[USRufnex]

Our administration and Congress are racking up massive, massive deficits with huge paybacks to campaign donors and supporters and people like Maddow are worried about some Christian legislators?  Give me a frakking break!  Talk about obfuscating to get our eyes off the man behind the curtain.

Obfuscating?    

That seems to be the job of the Republicans....... sorry, where were you when Bush wanted to make his tax cuts permanent as we were running record deficits in discretionary spending, which didn't even count wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- as those were off the books.... did you insist that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible?

When Bush campaigned, he told us the tax cuts were BECAUSE WE WERE RUNNING A SURPLUS.... remember the quip, "it's your money".......

"If there's a recession it's important to cut taxes to make sure the economy grows. . . . It's also important to cut the taxes where there's times of plenty. . . . It's important to cut the taxes to make sure Washington, D.C., does not spend the surplus. . . . This is not only no new taxes. This is tax cuts so help me God."
-- George W. Bush, Feb. 6, 2000



January 5, 2006
Make the Bush Tax Cuts Permanent
by William W. Beach and Rea S. Hederman, Jr.
http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/wm956.cfm

It's sad when The Onion was actually more newsworthy and made more sense than the high powered so-called thinktanks....

Monday, February 13, 2006
Bush wants to make his tax cuts permanent, which would cost $1.4 trillion over 10 years. What do you think?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45352

[Conan71]

Ruf,

Your post is another perfect example of obfuscating.  WTH has Bush got to do with the obvious smoke-screen I'm alluding to?

Please respond and explain why, when there are more important things wrong with our country: is this pseudo-journalist, Maddow, doing exposes on some Christian Senators instead of following the trail of out-of-control deficit spending which is a far bigger threat to the average American than some Christian Senators who bunk together?  Ohhh, they probably drink and play cards too!!  The horror!!

I asked for someone to explain why any of this about the "C-Streeters" and "Christian Mafia" is important and no one can form or give a cogent reply.

[USRufnex]

Cogent reply?

Smokescreen?  What have YOU been smoking?


"I asked for someone to explain why any of this about the "C-Streeters" and "Christian Mafia" is important and no one can form or give a cogent reply."

Maddow covers many topics on her shows.... Coburn and Ensign being complete and utter hypocrites is one of them.

And YOU'RE a hypocrite for insisting a liberal should be doing shows lamenting the deficit after EIGHT YEARS OF DEFICIT BUSTING CRAP FROM THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.... again, where was your outrage about the deficit when Cheney argued "deficits don't matter"

I'm concerned about the federal deficits that Obama inherited from Bush after he drove the economy into the ditch.
Too bad we can't make the Bush tax cuts expire retroactively....

[Conan71]

Cogent reply?

Smokescreen?  What have YOU been smoking?


"I asked for someone to explain why any of this about the "C-Streeters" and "Christian Mafia" is important and no one can form or give a cogent reply."

Maddow covers many topics on her shows.... Coburn and Ensign being complete and utter hypocrites is one of them.

And YOU'RE a hypocrite for insisting a liberal should be doing shows lamenting the deficit after EIGHT YEARS OF DEFICIT BUSTING CRAP FROM THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.... again, where was your outrage about the deficit when Cheney argued "deficits don't matter"

I'm concerned about the federal deficits that Obama inherited from Bush after he drove the economy into the ditch.
Too bad we can't make the Bush tax cuts expire retroactively....

What am I smoking?  Dope of course, what else?

Did anyone else see a cogent reply to my original question in here?  I sure didn't.

The only hypocrisy I read is carping on over-spending in the Bush years as justification to double down on the deficit in less than a year under a liberal Congress and Administration.  "Bush and the Reaganites did it" is the worst frakking excuse ever for continuing on with fiscally-irresponsible behavior.  Bush was a moron, right?  Why on earth would any Obama supporter use the actions of the Bush admin to justify the actions of the current power?

[Teatownclown]

Coming back to haunt our Senaturd....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/tom-coburn-john-ensign_n_861287.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54905.html

tsk tsk

[Conan71]

$2.8 million?  What's that make Hampton's wife?

Must have been one fine piece of....

[Townsend]

$2.8 million?  What's that make Hampton's wife?

Must have been one fine piece of....

[Conan71]

Meh.  I've got far better than that at home.  So do you

If he were going to diddle with someone in Washington, he could have at least gone for Elizabeth Kucinich.  It's reputed she's got a stud in her tongue and you know what that means.

[RecycleMichael]

Isn't it fascinating that Ensign's parent's ended up paying off the mistress and husband? They are described as "wealthy casino executives".

The son of casino execs become a Senator, the flushes it all away and loses his seat. This sounds like a good movie script.

[Conan71]

Isn't it fascinating that Ensign's parent's ended up paying off the mistress and husband? They are described as "wealthy casino executives".

The son of casino execs become a Senator, the flushes it all away and loses his seat. This sounds like a good movie script.

More ironic is he's a Republican and all the casino workers helped re-elect Harry Reid.