TMAPC Commissioner, Elizabeth Wright: Public Hearing

[inteller]

Quick reply -
Scott - I haven't written about speaking before the City Council yet. Had to do with John Baumgarder doing a private covenant so as to avoid doing a PUD at 14th and Utica. His reason? He didn't want to. That was it. He claimed an urgent need to get this Office zoned so as to seal the deal with some elusive client.

That's Bumgarner's modus operandi.  Everything has to be done quickly (and under the table if need be).  The outgoing queen adopted many of his techniques to push smile through city council as urgent.

[Conan71]

Liz, thank you for speaking out and clarifying what has gone on.  It's been an interesting look at the underbelly of our planning commission and seems to confirm what a lot of people have rumored for years.

[Liz Wright]

Liz, thank you for speaking out and clarifying what has gone on.  It's been an interesting look at the underbelly of our planning commission and seems to confirm what a lot of people have rumored for years.

More than welcome -

Now - it is time to get the word out. It truly is time for people to learn about the role of not only the TMAPC but all the authorities, boards and commissions. Several literally have this city by the throat economically.

I am definately looking at getting the boot in a very positive fashion - I get to speak out now!

Liz

[FOTD]

 Looks like you pushed Bone's buttons. Bone's always gets what he wants....and is one smart manipulator.

The devil thought you got "Boned" until he was reminded to "stay classy."

[inteller]

Looks like you pushed Bone's buttons. Bone's always gets what he wants....and is one smart manipulator.

The devil thought you got "Boned" until he was reminded to "stay classy."

there is nothing "smart" about common thuggery.

[FOTD]

there is nothing "smart" about common thuggery.

Love it. YES! But you have to admit his projects improve Tulsa.

[inteller]

Love it. YES! But you have to admit his projects improve Tulsa.

prairie style roof pitches with EIFS don't improve tulsa.  italianate dreck doesn't improve tulsa.  more targets dont improve tulsa.

owning a rubber stamp commission doesn't improve tulsa.

[jne]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20091123_11_0_Aftera471842

[inteller]

one allegation down two more bogus allegations to go!

[swake]

prairie style roof pitches with EIFS don't improve tulsa.  italianate dreck doesn't improve tulsa.  more targets dont improve tulsa.

owning a rubber stamp commission doesn't improve tulsa.

Still upset over that Target aren't you?

But here you are wrong, Super Target helps Tulsa's sales tax base and was badly needed. If that store had been built in across the street in Bixby Tulsa would be in that much worse shape.

[patric]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20091123_11_0_Aftera471842

Seems like the Whirled moved the story back
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20091124_16_A9_Apubli297440
and started using unflattering mugshots.
Maybe things arent going as planned, public opinion-wise ?

[Red Arrow]

Still upset over that Target aren't you?

But here you are wrong, Super Target helps Tulsa's sales tax base and was badly needed. If that store had been built in across the street in Bixby Tulsa would be in that much worse shape.

Next one is going in next to your place.  Big parking lot complete with all night lighting. Back wall and dumpsters facing you.  Beautiful loading docks will be your primary view. Enjoy.

I have every confidence that Bixby could have lost the opportunity for the Target just as they lost the opportunity for the WalMart before they built at 91st & Memorial.  (The building WM left after they built the new one at 111th & Memorial.)

[Conan71]

Next one is going in next to your place.  Big parking lot complete with all night lighting. Back wall and dumpsters facing you.  Beautiful loading docks will be your primary view. Enjoy.

I have every confidence that Bixby could have lost the opportunity for the Target just as they lost the opportunity for the WalMart before they built at 91st & Memorial.  (The building WM left after they built the new one at 111th & Memorial.)

Buy a house on the back-side of a strip of undeveloped land at one of the growing intersections in Tulsa then be pissed off a big box store was built?  I'm sorry but that resonates as well with me as people who bought a house in a new development near Love Field in Dallas about ten years ago then complained about all the noise.

Inteller's points on development are well-taken, but who in their right mind would have moved into that neighborhood and expect that piece of choice commercial land would not be developed the way that it was?

[swake]

Buy a house on the back-side of a strip of undeveloped land at one of the growing intersections in Tulsa then be pissed off a big box store was built?  I'm sorry but that resonates as well with me as people who bought a house in a new development near Love Field in Dallas about ten years ago then complained about all the noise.

Inteller's points on development are well-taken, but who in their right mind would have moved into that neighborhood and expect that piece of choice commercial land would not be developed the way that it was?

It's why the house that backed to that empty lot was $20k less than one just like it across the street.

[sgrizzle]

(The building WM left after they built the new one at 111th & Memorial.)

Which is also in Tulsa.

FYI, inteller's house never backed to Target, but he was close.

Nice neighborhood association.. lot of people really excited about one store.