TPD officers under investigation - Grand Jury?

[patric]

I'm comfortable with a judge deciding how a case is conducted based on what the prosecutor and defense present to him.

I dont understand that statement in this context, are you saying a judge ordered the mugshot withheld?

[waterboy]

I dont understand that statement in this context, are you saying a judge ordered the mugshot withheld?

If there was any context, it was related to this post, "Being advised by letter that one is being investigated by the grand jury from those conducting the jury for fraud extends beyond reason an unbiased precedence not afforded to the general public.  In this instance there is a possible cause of fraud having been committed in  order to be presented to the grand jury which as a pubic employee, under shield of trust, could and can be placed on the fast track to establish guilt or innocence.  It is at the courts discretion and obligation to do so in the present unless we continues to accepting double standards.  Thus the mug shot should be published under the same rule as others are published before the determination of guilt of innocence is established."   

I like the idea of "innocent until proven guilty". That seems to be escaping some people here. I do not like the damage done by the press in reporting allegations in a case as though they are anything more than allegations unproven by the determination of facts by a court. The wilder and more inflammatory the allegations, the more people tend to believe them. How often have you seen the press apologize and promise to make whole someones reputation after they have been found not guilty? Seldom. You have to sue for such things and that is expensive and largely fruitless.

Who actually benefits from such practice? Only the press as it promotes their product at someone else's expense.

[shadows]

The police officers are not a breed apart from the general public therefore when there is idications that a crime has been commited they shoud enjoy the same privileges that the citizen enjoy. Person who are questioned because of information as being posssible "persons of interest" mug shots are offtimes published in order for others with credible information to come forward.
In the instant determination the grand jury found that the officer was such "person of interest thus should be subject to any conditions that a suspected citizens would be,  
 

[fotd]

The police officers are not a breed apart from the general public therefore when there is idications that a crime has been commited they shoud enjoy the same privileges that the citizen enjoy. Person who are questioned because of information as being posssible "persons of interest" mug shots are offtimes published in order for others with credible information to come forward.
In the instant determination the grand jury found that the officer was such "person of interest thus should be subject to any conditions that a suspected citizens would be,  
 

The journal seemed to omit this dirty business from their story today, as I recall....

[waterboy]

The police officers are not a breed apart from the general public therefore when there is idications that a crime has been commited they shoud enjoy the same privileges that the citizen enjoy. Person who are questioned because of information as being posssible "persons of interest" mug shots are offtimes published in order for others with credible information to come forward.
In the instant determination the grand jury found that the officer was such "person of interest thus should be subject to any conditions that a suspected citizens would be,  
 

Just saying the same thing over and over is not discourse Shadow. You simply ignore rebuttals to your arguments. Innocent people are often charged yet never convicted. The sting of having your "mug" shot distributed when accused but not printed when absolved is lasting. Some privilege. I once new of a name and photo being used in the newspaper that cost a man his career. Turns out a black law school grad looks similar to a murderous black janitor. TW paid dearly for that. How simple to merely have waited till the guy was at least arraigned. Innocent till proven guilty. Learn it, understand it, repeat it.

[shadows]

I have never heard of a guilty person being in the prisons.  If  I remember England used this land for a prison camp until after they rebelled and England had to move it to Australia.  By what is happening today we may have been better off if they had established the prison camp there in the first place as we are overrun with innocence people convicted of a non violent crime.  There could be other citizens that could associate him with a mug shot whereas on a sting operation he would not use his birth name.

The history of meth goes back 500 years, it was artificially produced around 1880.  There is no way to stamp it out as it is used by children though  golden age citizens.  Many parents give it to their children under a medical mane and it can be purchased through most drug stores in very small doses.   

In today paper is a picture of a "person of interest" who has not been arraigned.   Get it the system is broken and needs fixing.

[custosnox]

I have never heard of a guilty person being in the prisons.  If  I remember England used this land for a prison camp until after they rebelled and England had to move it to Australia. 

Ummm... actually.. the prisoners here were brought over as indentured servents, not as a penal colony.  A bit of a difference there.

[waterboy]

I'm glad I don't live in your cynical world Shadow.

[Gaspar]

Drugstore Meth

Sounds like a good name for a band.

[shadows]

Ummm... actually.. the prisoners here were brought over as indentured servents, not as a penal colony.  A bit of a difference there.

We seem to be reading from different history books.  This one records the last ship load of prisoners in route to America had to be taken to a new prison camp established at Sydney Australia at the close of war.
It describes the indentured servants as women who become prostitutes in order to pay for their passage.  At this time the woman was not considered for education and these indentured servants in communication with their "john's" became the highly educated women in America.  These women of the red light area became the educated elite of Boston.  History seems to be in an evolution process.         

[patric]

A Tulsa police deputy chief testified in federal court today about a former burglary detective's alleged involvement in a large bank burglary ring possibly linked to homicides.
Deputy Chief Mark McCrory's testimony came during the second day of a motions hearing as part of the federal probe into law enforcement corruption in Tulsa.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100923_11_0_hrimgs675531

[swake]

A Tulsa police deputy chief testified in federal court today about a former burglary detective's alleged involvement in a large bank burglary ring possibly linked to homicides.
Deputy Chief Mark McCrory's testimony came during the second day of a motions hearing as part of the federal probe into law enforcement corruption in Tulsa.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100923_11_0_hrimgs675531

TPD is a sick organization.

[patric]

Today's Wall Street Journal story:

Scandal Roils Tulsa Police
Planted Evidence, Stolen Drugs, False Informants Star in Probe; Convicts Freed

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704720804576009812869266014.html

[shadows]

The city is sick, not one department.  The controlling segment of the population have the ability to mislead the working poor and then walk-away praising themselves for being part of building a better city.  They have their way on issuing information in the twilight zone as they create their little kingdoms.  The grand jury possibly should look at the purchase of the city hall and the false information as the city continues to juggle the facts on the misleading information made available at the time it was being promoted as a "can't do without necessity.  Instead of renaming the usage of the vacant floors the working poor would be satisfied by simply calling it the "White elephant barn ".  

[Gaspar]

The city is sick, not one department.  The controlling segment of the population have the ability to mislead the working poor and then walk-away praising themselves for being part of building a better city.  They have their way on issuing information in the twilight zone as they create their little kingdoms.  The grand jury possibly should look a the purchase of the city hall and the false information as the city continues to juggle the facts on the misleading information made available at the time it was being promoted as a "can't do without necessity.  Instead of renaming the usage of the vacant floors the working poor would be satisfied by simply calling it the "White elephant barn ".  

This is awesome!  We can now turn any thread into an exercise in class warfare.