Vision 2025...Part 2?

[carltonplace]

Meanwhile, in Tulsa area government...

Per TW FB post.

Oh jeez...not a republican censure. That's serious stuff with real consequences.

[Conan71]

Oh jeez...not a republican censure. That's serious stuff with real consequences.

Perry's dog will now pee on his pant leg.

[shadows]

This brings up a question whereas the county prevails by statute and the cities are subordinate of the county by charter, Tulsa has assumed the touting of the county tax.  In the upcoming election on sales taxes it seem to be the brain child of the city who derives its power from the charter that can be revoked, or is the election intertwined with the procedure the TW has encountered filing under FOI?    "That is the way we have always done it"

Has this become a hybrid election of multi-propositions?   

[erfalf]

How did this get on the ballot with more or less a fill in the blank proposal? I was under the impression that things like school bond issues (county also) had to be pretty well defined to get over the hurdles of making it on the ballot.

[swake]

Oh jeez...not a republican censure. That's serious stuff with real consequences.

Sally Bell and Micheal Bates hath spoken!

[shadows]

How did this get on the ballot with more or less a fill in the blank proposal? I was under the impression that things like school bond issues (county also) had to be pretty well defined to get over the hurdles of making it on the ballot.

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Seems that the ballot has been reduced to;
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CITY/COUNTY SALES TAX PROPOSITION
                        (circle one)

Democrat    yes   no      Republican   yes   no

AA              yes    no
_______________________________________   

[Conan71]

Sally Bell and Micheal Bates hath spoken!

Sally Bell who had no problem seeking tax subsidies to build a new park and concessions from a public entity to have her rent discounted at the previous location?

[Gaspar]

How did this get on the ballot with more or less a fill in the blank proposal? I was under the impression that things like school bond issues (county also) had to be pretty well defined to get over the hurdles of making it on the ballot.

+1

Strong indication that there are big Tulsa money interests behind this.  It was an attempt to engineer a fleecing.

[Conan71]

+1

Strong indication that there are big Tulsa money interests behind this.  It was an attempt to engineer a fleecing.

This isn't Vision 2025 part II, it's River Tax '07 part II.

[DTowner]

Unfortunately, when this thing crashes and burns on election day, it will have damaged the "Vision" brand for future use.

[swake]

I think we should use this as an opportunity. Members of this forum have put together a long list of pie in the sky desires for downtown and here is a pie in the sky plan to pin them to. We should pick a few of our favorites and get them included on the ballot. At least that way they are out there for future more sensible plans.

My wants:
Additional Revenue streams for downtown housing
A parking sollution that frees up the surface parking lots in the blue dome and next to the PAC/City Hall for development.
A downtown circulator
Cathedral Square

I like the juvenile justice center the county is working on. If we can get kids on the right track early we can reduce our crime rate. That’s a big plus. It also rejuvenates a really decrepit part of downtown with few prospects for improvement. This should be a county project.

I actually support the deal closing fund. I will qualify that with I think such funds should be made illegal at the federal level, I hate the very idea of such funds being used to win business. But, if such funds are being used by other cities we need to be able to compete.

I support infrastructure improvements to the airport aerospace facilities, but not tenant specific tools.

I would like to see some money for the river. Take the $25 million from the state, the $9 million from Jenks and some of the city of Tulsa money to fix the Zink dam and build the 106th St dam. See if the Creek Nation/River Spirit Casino will contribute as well. When the federal money finally does come do the Sand Springs dam and riverbank improvements.

Downtown/Midtown circulator trolleys. We can start with busses but have them run at night and on weekends and be much more frequent. Connect Cherry Street, Utica, Brookside, downtown, the OSU campuses, TU and TCC downtown.

The Cathedral Square park idea on the south side of downtown in the square block from 8th to 9th from Main to Boulder with a public parking garage for TCC and the churches 8th to 9th from Main to Boston. Have the school and churches give up most of their seas of mostly unused parking in exchange for free use of the garage. The school can use it during the day and the churches on Sunday. At night they can share the garage. Give away the huge surface lot sites to developers with the best and most urban plans that will build housing including some lower cost housing for students. Incorporate housing and street level retail into the garage.  The churches get more and bettered secured parking and more area residents as potential church goers. The school gets more secured parking and housing for students. They both get a nearby park, and a more urban and inviting environment.  If this could get rid of 4 or 5 square blocks of parking it would remake the south side of downtown.

Another downtown housing fund, but larger this time, say 20 million. Set at least half of it aside for building rehabs and conversions. No one project can get more than 10% of the money.

The East Village park on the east side of downtown with a permanent city owned downtown indoor/outdoor year round farmers market where vendors can rent stall space for reasonable rates.

The John Hope Franklin Race Riot Museum completed and endowed and given to the national park service

Funding for the POP Museum with the related public parking garage for the Blue Dome district.

If the Jazz Hall of Fame is failing have it incorporated into the POP and repurpose the Depot. The Depot is probably better suited to the Deco Museum anyway.

The Route 66 Museum completed

[Gaspar]

The deal closing fund was actually crafted by Mayor Bartlett and predates Vision2.  It was thrown in to attempt to acquire Mayoral and Republican support.  I don't necessarily agree with it, because it's basically bribery designed to entice project managers to do what they are supposed to do anyway.  It rewards incompetence by assuming it.

Vision2 was crafted by a small group behind closed doors at the Chamber.  Figure out who they were and you will have a far greater understanding of the real purpose behind Vision2. 

I'll give you a hint. . .the usual suspects who engage in this on a local and national level.

Another hint. . .estimated $90-$100 million in interest payments will go to the two primary bond holders. 

[Townsend]

The deal closing fund was actually crafted by Mayor Bartlett and predates Vision2.  It was thrown in to attempt to acquire Mayoral and Republican support.  I don't necessarily agree with it, because it's basically bribery designed to entice project managers to do what they are supposed to do anyway.  It rewards incompetence by assuming it.

Vision2 was crafted by a small group behind closed doors at the Chamber.  Figure out who they were and you will have a far greater understanding of the real purpose behind Vision2. 

I'll give you a hint. . .the usual suspects who engage in this on a local and national level.

Another hint. . .estimated $90-$100 million in interest payments will go to the two primary bond holders. 

Why would you do that?

If you've got real information that helps decision be made, go ahead and say.

I can provide you with hints of what that post made you look like.

[Gaspar]

Why would you do that?

If you've got real information that helps decision be made, go ahead and say.

I can provide you with hints of what that post made you look like.

Geezz, it's not rocket science.

[Townsend]

Geezz, it's not rocket science.

So throw it out there.