Vision 2025...Part 2?

[Gaspar]

So throw it out there.

Nope.  I'm waiting to see how fast the worm turns when people understand who is behind this.

Some Dems on this forum already know and are trying to figure out a way to reverse or soften their previous opinions of Vision2. 

This will be fun.  Trust me. 

[AquaMan]

Let me save some time. LIBERALS. DIRTY, NASTY, BUDGET BUSTING, WORTHLESS, GUN HATING, ECONOMY WRECKING, ABORTION LOVING, RINO, DEMOCRATIC, SLACKER LIBERALS!!!

Its fun to be an insider.

[rdj]

Here is a good place to start:

http://www.tulsachamber.com/general/447/board-of-directors/11

[RecycleMichael]

Here. Have some gaspar Kool-aid.

He don't know enough and has made assumptions about who is involved. Most people wouldn't post yet, but he is obligated to throw innuendo around to try and enrage other uninformed people.

It's always a small group behind closed doors. They control everything (once you drink the Kool-aid).

[rdj]

Here. Have some gaspar Kool-aid.

He don't know enough and has made assumptions about who is involved. Most people wouldn't post yet, but he is obligated to throw innuendo around to try and enrage other uninformed people.

It's always a small group behind closed doors. They control everything (once you drink the Kool-aid).

Michael, if it wasn't intended to be a small group behind closed doors then why were those in the room required to sign confidentiality agreements?

[AquaMan]

Here is a good place to start:

http://www.tulsachamber.com/general/447/board-of-directors/11

Maybe its just me. I don't see anything unusual or sinister there. Bankers, builders, hospital heads, foundation heads, utility heads, blah, blah

[DTowner]

I don't care if the Tulsa County Republican Party is for it or against it.  I don't care if city/county/state/chamber leaders are for it.  I don't care if rich Republican or rich Democrat bankers will make money off of it.  I don't care if it's supported by the good 'ol boys or the Soggy Bottom Boys.  Vision 2 will lose in November because it is an ill conceived and incomplete plan derrived from a rushed and flawed top down process that will be summarized as a taxpayer gift to a mismanaged bankrupt airline.

[Gaspar]

Here is a good place to start:

http://www.tulsachamber.com/general/447/board-of-directors/11

+1

Two names.

[carltonplace]

I like the juvenile justice center the county is working on. If we can get kids on the right track early we can reduce our crime rate. That's a big plus. It also rejuvenates a really decrepit part of downtown with few prospects for improvement. This should be a county project.

I actually support the deal closing fund. I will qualify that with I think such funds should be made illegal at the federal level, I hate the very idea of such funds being used to win business. But, if such funds are being used by other cities we need to be able to compete.

I support infrastructure improvements to the airport aerospace facilities, but not tenant specific tools.

I would like to see some money for the river. Take the $25 million from the state, the $9 million from Jenks and some of the city of Tulsa money to fix the Zink dam and build the 106th St dam. See if the Creek Nation/River Spirit Casino will contribute as well. When the federal money finally does come do the Sand Springs dam and riverbank improvements.

Downtown/Midtown circulator trolleys. We can start with busses but have them run at night and on weekends and be much more frequent. Connect Cherry Street, Utica, Brookside, downtown, the OSU campuses, TU and TCC downtown.

The Cathedral Square park idea on the south side of downtown in the square block from 8th to 9th from Main to Boulder with a public parking garage for TCC and the churches 8th to 9th from Main to Boston. Have the school and churches give up most of their seas of mostly unused parking in exchange for free use of the garage. The school can use it during the day and the churches on Sunday. At night they can share the garage. Give away the huge surface lot sites to developers with the best and most urban plans that will build housing including some lower cost housing for students. Incorporate housing and street level retail into the garage.  The churches get more and bettered secured parking and more area residents as potential church goers. The school gets more secured parking and housing for students. They both get a nearby park, and a more urban and inviting environment.  If this could get rid of 4 or 5 square blocks of parking it would remake the south side of downtown.

Another downtown housing fund, but larger this time, say 20 million. Set at least half of it aside for building rehabs and conversions. No one project can get more than 10% of the money.

The East Village park on the east side of downtown with a permanent city owned downtown indoor/outdoor year round farmers market where vendors can rent stall space for reasonable rates.

The John Hope Franklin Race Riot Museum completed and endowed and given to the national park service

Funding for the POP Museum with the related public parking garage for the Blue Dome district.

If the Jazz Hall of Fame is failing have it incorporated into the POP and repurpose the Depot. The Depot is probably better suited to the Deco Museum anyway.

The Route 66 Museum completed

Great list.

[Gaspar]

I don't care if the Tulsa County Republican Party is for it or against it.  I don't care if city/county/state/chamber leaders are for it.  I don't care if rich Republican or rich Democrat bankers will make money off of it.  I don't care if it's supported by the good 'ol boys or the Soggy Bottom Boys.  Vision 2 will lose in November because it is an ill conceived and incomplete plan derrived from a rushed and flawed top down process that will be summarized as a taxpayer gift to a mismanaged bankrupt airline.

I have no doubt of that, however there are some that will come to realize that they can't afford to speak out against it.  

[Townsend]

I have no doubt of that, however there are some that will come to realize that they can't afford to speak out against it.  

You and Riffraff.  You do more damage to your reputation when you post.

[Gaspar]

Here. Have some gaspar Kool-aid.

He don't know enough and has made assumptions about who is involved. Most people wouldn't post yet, but he is obligated to throw innuendo around to try and enrage other uninformed people.

It's always a small group behind closed doors. They control everything (once you drink the Kool-aid).

RM, Do you support the Vision2 initiative?

[rdj]

Maybe its just me. I don't see anything unusual or sinister there. Bankers, builders, hospital heads, foundation heads, utility heads, blah, blah

I wasn't implying anyone on that list is sinister.  I consider many people on that list to be friends and highly respect them.  I was simply stating the Executive Committee and Executive Leadership of the Chamber is the best place to start when attempting to determine the beginnings of most if not all sales tax initiatives for the City of Tulsa and Tulsa County.  The absolute majority of the people on that list believe they are doing the best thing for Tulsa.

I have no problem with the largest business advocacy organization in the region working very hard to influence the direction our community heads.  Their board and largest investors are responsible for a large number of employees and a large percentage of the GDP of NE Oklahoma.  In all truthfulness, if they weren't doing so, that might be a bigger problem in my mind.

All that said, it doesn't soften the blow that "they" have put forth a package that is ambiguous, at best, distasteful to many citizens and smacks of being rushed.  The Chamber, regional mayors and stakeholders that were involved in the meetings feel they have a great reason to "rush" it and adhere to the old adage that the more voters at the polls the better the result will be there for them.  I would urge the Chamber and other supporters to do a better job from this point forward in painting in less broad strokes what this package will truly fund.

[Teatownclown]

Here is a good place to start:

http://www.tulsachamber.com/general/447/board-of-directors/11

Thanks! Most if not all of these people are totally divorced from the common Tulsa proletariat. Trust me....they think they know what's best for the average Tulsan without any personal involvement in who our citizens are and the actions which might effect their living situation in a negative way. Again I will ask, where are the cost/benefit analysis on AA and the other "investments?"

I'm really not too shocked at how the entire bunch backs bribery and corporate welfare. They are part time volunteers so it's no wonder the proposal seems rushed,lazy and sloppy.

The Chamberites do have their "slaves" out there who will endear themselves by carrying the Chambers water in the hopes that sometime down the road these wannabes too can become a future part of the business network and reap personal gain....after all, it's not always what you know but who you know and those interested in future networks may need to lay valuable business connections. Little do they realize how the Chamberites will use their sorry a$$es and discard them at any hint of difference.

At one time in Tulsa, several separatist Chambers were contemplated but failed due to COT alliance with what some called the Downtown Chamber of Commerce. I rather liked the idea of America's Most Beautiful Chamber with the emphasis on quality of life, the environment, and the health and well being of our community but funding would be near impossible.

Is there a newer name for "old boys network" that now includes a few token women?

[Ed W]

Here. Have some gaspar Kool-aid.

He don't know enough and has made assumptions about who is involved. Most people wouldn't post yet, but he is obligated to throw innuendo around to try and enrage other uninformed people.

It's always a small group behind closed doors. They control everything (once you drink the Kool-aid).

There's a logic problem, Michael, because Gas says the Chamber is largely behind this effort, and that those of us on the left will overwhelmingly support it (that if I understand the innuendo correctly.)  Yet, the Chamber is nothing more than a tool of the Republican elite, you know, the monied end of the Republican party rather than the tea party extremists.  Are we supposed to believe that the disorganized rabble representing the professional left will join forces with the pin-striped-three-piece-suit brigade?  Perhaps this is no more than another over-heated fantasy along the lines of the "dump Joe Biden for Hillary" nonsense.