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« Reply #285 on: September 11, 2012, 08:40:45 am » |
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Don't need any PR per say, but would be nice to have some insight as to the rational for a lot of the items on prop 2 and some more details on prop 1. I am still flummoxed about the need for a, park and ride, parking garage on Riverside for instance.
The need precipitates from a car oriented society. 33rd Street will serve as a corridor between the River and Peoria. Place One is an ideal location for mixed use/parking garage. This is one of the few things that makes sense. Get ready for saving AA rational.....if there is any. |
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« Reply #286 on: September 11, 2012, 08:58:14 am » |
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So I learned last night that our little discussions here were very powerful in getting people and the media to discuss the elements of Vision2. Some were not happy about that. So much so that the interests that desperately want it passed have members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative. Welcome. We look forward to your insights.  What's interesting is that we said we were not happy about how quickly that this was done (who is?) and that we tried suggesting things to make this not suck. Now it sounds like there are PR people who want to try to stop this whole "critical thinking" thing? Maybe TulsaNow should just bill directly as a PR or Political Consultant firm. Our pitch "We will make it not suck, instead of just promising to try to make people not notice it sucks" (Just a joke, don't send us money.... or do, just don't expect anything in return, we're a non-profit  ) We have gotten attention from print, radio and TV because of our push for critical thinking. Need to get the notes we have in preparation for this interview posted: http://kwgs.org/post/vision2-good-idea-greater-tulsa-area-or-isnt-it |
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« Reply #287 on: September 11, 2012, 09:04:00 am » |
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« Reply #288 on: September 11, 2012, 09:05:35 am » |
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You didn't do that... I'm all for calibration over manipulation. Let's hang it up and see what tomorrow brings.... V2 in 14? |
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« Reply #289 on: September 11, 2012, 09:08:37 am » |
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You didn't do that...
Correct, someone else did. |
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« Reply #290 on: September 11, 2012, 09:23:54 am » |
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V2 in 14?
That's better, but I think you want to space 3rd penny and V2 out a bit. Maybe 3rd penny needs to pay for transit, facility maintenance and improvements while Vision2.1 should be a city tax for major capital projects. Oh, and the no to Vision2 page seems to be the local GOP |
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« Reply #291 on: September 11, 2012, 09:51:23 am » |
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That's better, but I think you want to space 3rd penny and V2 out a bit.
Maybe 3rd penny needs to pay for transit, facility maintenance and improvements while Vision2.1 should be a city tax for major capital projects.
Oh, and the no to Vision2 page seems to be the local GOP
3rd penny covers many other projects...doesn't it? Shifting funds around is an art at the COT Public Werks Dept. |
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« Reply #292 on: September 11, 2012, 11:39:24 am » |
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So I learned last night that our little discussions here were very powerful in getting people and the media to discuss the elements of Vision2. Some were not happy about that. So much so that the interests that desperately want it passed have members of a PR firm that already are, or will be joining this forum to gently steer the conversation in favor of the initiative. Welcome. We look forward to your insights. Prayer for the day; Lord, please help me identify these interlopers so I can attack viciously and with a vengeance...! RM, Notice I haven't attacked you at all about this, or even disagreed much. Most of that list you showed sounds pretty good to me. Except for ANY money that would go to AA. |
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I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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« Reply #293 on: September 11, 2012, 11:48:43 am » |
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RM,
Notice I haven't attacked you at all about this, or even disagreed much. Most of that list you showed sounds pretty good to me. Except for ANY money that would go to AA.
We are funding Alcohol Anonymous? Thanks for being open minded about the projects. I too have real qualms about the process used to select the projects and the timing of the vote. But I don't need to know how sausage is made to eat it. I just want it to taste good. |
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« Reply #294 on: September 11, 2012, 12:11:14 pm » |
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3rd penny covers many other projects...doesn't it? Shifting funds around is an art at the COT Public Werks Dept.
Tulsa tries to operate 2 cents for operations and 1 cent for capital. The first two are permanent, but if we want to seek to grow city services like transit and park maintenance, we will need more than the 2 cents. Let the city collect 3.6c and get the county out of the sales tax racket. Just a thought. |
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« Reply #295 on: September 11, 2012, 12:52:24 pm » |
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We are funding Alcohol Anonymous?
Thanks for being open minded about the projects. I too have real qualms about the process used to select the projects and the timing of the vote. But I don't need to know how sausage is made to eat it. I just want it to taste good.
Them either... I still want the tram (ala airport style) for downtown. Cheap, easy and effective. |
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« Reply #296 on: September 11, 2012, 12:54:56 pm » |
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I don't need to know how sausage is made to eat it.
Neither do I, but I do require that it be completed before I eat it. |
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« Reply #297 on: September 11, 2012, 12:59:25 pm » |
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Have you noticed the recent articles are now referring to this as a tax to improve the industrial park at the airport? No mention of American Airlines.
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« Reply #298 on: September 11, 2012, 01:02:40 pm » |
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I still want the tram (ala airport style) for downtown. Cheap, easy and effective.
I still want an electric trolley on rails in the middle of the street with convenient bus connections. That's cheap, easy, and effective. Every airport system I've seen has some sort of ridiculous guideway and requires grade separation, which is decidedly not cheap. Rails are a requirement to get the investment one would hope for out of a transit project. Rubber wheeled vehicles (in general) can change their route at any time and business owners are smart enough to know that. I have seen some rubber wheeled electric buses that have enough battery to go off the wire for a few blocks in case of construction, traffic, or whatever. Sadly, they still scream "bus". |
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« Reply #299 on: September 11, 2012, 02:47:00 pm » |
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The only thing I'm willing to vote yes for is to take ALL of the money and fix the streets. No other projects allowed in my book. Fifty years ago the streets were great! We could have that again...and it's not normal to live with streets like this, just go to many other cities.
Then everyone will complain about the street construction for three years......we'll have a grand time griping, but eventually we won't have to pay the $ 700+ per year per car for car repairs as estimated on TV.
My transportation is in the shop now having the front end repaired again....and it's an International Harvester 2 ton truck I bought for commuting. I had a big bar welded onto the front to scrape cars that run past stop signs on side streets trying to pull out in front of me.
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