Vision 2025...Part 2?

[Conan71]

To sgrizzle's and SXSW's lists I would add additional funds for downtown and near downtown housing development. I feel that this has been one of the greatest drivers of continued core development and residential creates a need for more businesses to serve that population.

So long as it keeps ending up in the hands of developers like the Snyders and not the Sagers.

[Cats Cats Cats]

So long as it keeps ending up in the hands of developers like the Snyders and not the Sagers.

Mcnellies group getting into the mix too.

[swake]

With this tax expiring in 2016 is there any movement to get another proposal on the ballot?  I keep hearing about potential river projects totaling $160 million for the low water dams.  What would you want to see on the ballot, and how can we ensure it passes?

Wasn't the tax just extended as part of the city streets and improvement plan last fall?

[sgrizzle]

Wasn't the tax just extended as part of the city streets and improvement plan last fall?

Different tax. That was the City of Tulsa 3rd penny.

[SXSW]

So Bartlett wants to take 1/3 of the expiring V2025 tax and fund public safety.  I can support that.  A safe city should be the #1 priority.  I suspect river projects will be a good part of the rest, or will Tulsa go it alone without county support?

http://m.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/county-officials-respond-to-mayor-s-public-safety-tax-proposal/article_832348ef-3334-5c37-ad99-ab9238bf72e0.html?mode=jqm

[sgrizzle]

Tulsa currently collects about 2c sales tax to pay for operations. Of that, public safety takes around 50%. The other 50% pays for Dewey's people, IT, HR, street maintenance, parks, zoning, planning, water treatment, storm sewer, sewer lines, water lines, bus service, mowing, etc.

While I'm not against public safety, you have to fund the other stuff too.

If you're going to do 1/3rd to public safety, do another 1/6th or 1/3rd to transportation operations (and then free up the other Tulsa transit funds for other city services) and the remainder to the river.

[Townsend]

New Vision 2025 Tax Extension Proposed

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/new-vision-2025-tax-extension-proposed

Leaders of cities in Tulsa County announce a plan for a Vision 2025 tax extension that could finally get water in the river. There is a new approach this time that would allow each community to determine its' projects and vote on them independently. Tulsa City Councilor G.T. Bynum says it gives hope for low water dams and other river projects that have failed in the past. Other cities may have other priorities, and that would work in this approach to a tax renewal.

Specific projects are yet to be determined, but the vote should be scheduled sometime this fall.

[Jeff P]

So Bartlett wants to take 1/3 of the expiring V2025 tax and fund public safety.  I can support that.  A safe city should be the #1 priority.  I suspect river projects will be a good part of the rest, or will Tulsa go it alone without county support?

http://m.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/county-officials-respond-to-mayor-s-public-safety-tax-proposal/article_832348ef-3334-5c37-ad99-ab9238bf72e0.html?mode=jqm

Do we have a public safety problem that would justify taking 1/3 of the renewed Vision money in addition to what is already allocated to it?  Do we have x% higher total (insert whatever stat) compared with cities of similar size in the region?

I'm not being sarcastic... serious question.

Because "more money to public safety" seems like one of those things that everyone would agree to whether or not it was even needed.

[swake]

It's Dewey's grand reelection plans of "water in river, cops in street, no burning cell phones in pocket", this is the dunce that wanted to give $300 million to a bankrupt American for no good reason and zero guarantees.  He forced more millions in the last streets bond issue for the Gilcrease highway to nowhere (where he personally owns land) and tried to kill a sidewalk on Riverside nearly the whole city wanted that his landlord disliked.

Dewey wants a vote in the fall which means projects need to be chosen, scoped and priced by the summer and it's March right now. The timeline for starting public input for a fall vote would be last fall. I would peg his intended public input at zero.

I'm going to put on my Dewey Vision goggles here and guess  that there will no real downtown improvements in this plan. It's going be .2% permanent fund to Cops, $200 million to dams, something at the zoo, $5 million for downtown housing, his stupid taco truck park on the west bank and money to fix the roads at 61st by the new outlet mall. Bing, done, it's Dewey Vision2030.

Maybe the city council can put some meat in any plans and derail the Dewey Express but I am not hopeful.

[patric]

Do we have a public safety problem that would justify taking 1/3 of the renewed Vision money in addition to what is already allocated to it?  Do we have x% higher total (insert whatever stat) compared with cities of similar size in the region?

I'm not being sarcastic... serious question.

Because "more money to public safety" seems like one of those things that everyone would agree to whether or not it was even needed.

Isnt the Armored Personnel Carrier due to be replaced with a fleet of new MRAPs with sonic cannons?   
The cassette player in the old one is so '80's.

[sgrizzle]

Do we have a public safety problem that would justify taking 1/3 of the renewed Vision money in addition to what is already allocated to it?  Do we have x% higher total (insert whatever stat) compared with cities of similar size in the region?

I'm not being sarcastic... serious question.

Because "more money to public safety" seems like one of those things that everyone would agree to whether or not it was even needed.

We bring in $355M in sales taxes, and spend $175M on police and fire.

The remaining, plus other funds, fund road maintenance, parks, streetlights, code enforcement, lawn mowing, planning, economic development, water, sewer, trash,

[heironymouspasparagus]

We bring in $355M in sales taxes, and spend $175M on police and fire.

The remaining, plus other funds, fund road maintenance, parks, streetlights, code enforcement, lawn mowing, planning, economic development, water, sewer, trash,

We should follow the lead of some other cities who are in higher rated states and make wifi internet access available from the city for all citizens.  57 cities doing it now.

http://www.kansas.com/news/article1144149.html

http://mic.com/articles/66891/57-cities-now-have-free-wi-fi-but-they-re-not-thinking-big-enough


We past time for Tulsa to be thinking 'out of the box'....

[TheArtist]

I think we need to buy the Tulsa Club Building, bring it back to its former glory, or better, and turn it into a Tulsa Art Deco Museum, as part of any new initiative.

We could lease out the grand ballroom to a restaurateur to help raise money, have great events there, use several floors for the museum, activate the street levels with a museum gift shop and an art deco themed cafe, and perhaps also rent out a few of the other floors for office space to help the museum be self sustaining.  

I could turn that building into a major attraction in downtown, and I wouldn't need or want any parking. I would actually like to turn one of the floors into a Disney type, slow, look at the wonderful scenery, type rides (The Story of Art Deco", Worlds fairs, Metropolis, the movies, etc.) We could partner with the Tulsa Foundation for Architecture. Have classroom spaces, etc. etc.

This building is going to be so hard to rehab without the financial help of someone who really loves the building.  

[SXSW]

I think we need to buy the Tulsa Club Building, bring it back to its former glory, or better, and turn it into a Tulsa Art Deco Museum, as part of any new initiative.

We could lease out the grand ballroom to a restaurateur to help raise money, have great events there, use several floors for the museum, activate the street levels with a museum gift shop and an art deco themed cafe, and perhaps also rent out a few of the other floors for office space to help the museum be self sustaining.  

I could turn that building into a major attraction in downtown, and I wouldn't need or want any parking. I would actually like to turn one of the floors into a Disney type, slow, look at the wonderful scenery, type rides (The Story of Art Deco", Worlds fairs, Metropolis, the movies, etc.) We could partner with the Tulsa Foundation for Architecture. Have classroom spaces, etc. etc.

This building is going to be so hard to rehab without the financial help of someone who really loves the building.  

This would also make a great new home for the OU-Tulsa Urban Design program. 

[TheArtist]

This would also make a great new home for the OU-Tulsa Urban Design program.  

Perfect fit!

Anyone else have any other ideas?