AGW believers get throttled

[guido911]

The Hitler Youth destroyed by Lord Monckton:

[FOTD]

What is the point here? The science that is still questioned by Lord Monkton, or the fact that he did what we all do on here...name-call.

[USRufnex]

How utterly unsurprising that Gweed would trust an upper class conservative twit over scientific concensus...

Lord Monckton = conservative elitist lunatic


The 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley aka Christopher Monckton is seen by his home at Carie, Loch Rannoch, Scotland. Photograph: Murdo Macleod

Monckton's circus of climate change denial arrives in cloud cuckoo land
Communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the green movement have taken over – in Lord Monckton's mind

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/oct/20/climate-change-denial-monckton

I hearby nominate Lord Monckton for Upperclass Twit of the Year......

Monty Python Upperclass Twit of the Year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkdcT25ss

[USRufnex]

Hitler youth?  Hitler youth?
Shame on you again, Gweedster.

http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/im-not-going-to-shake-the-hand-of-hitler-youth/

When he was asked to shake one of the activists' hand, he responded

   No, no. I'm not going to shake the hand of Hitler Youth. I'm sorry.

The activist in question, Ben Wessel, is Jewish, and his grandparents escaped the Nazis. Furthermore, Monckton's remarks yesterday could have been considered intemperate as they were made in the heat of the moment. That Monckton would repeat the charge today when he's not being shouted over suggests that he truly believes the youth activists to be equal to the Hitler Youth.

Some key quotes from Monckton:

   World food prices have doubled. That is because of the global warming scare. You won't look at the science. As a result of that, millions are dying in third world countries because of the biofuel scam, because of the global warming scare.

   And you people don't care. And until you start caring I will call you Hitler youth if you ever again interrupt any meeting I am present, where we are trying to have a private conversation.

   So now you know what it looks like when you do robotic chants of the sort which the Hitler youth used to do in Copenhagen when they occupied this city.

   So I think you should all just chill out and accept that if you ever behave like that again I will call you that again in public. You're already now known and your faces around the world are known as members of the Hitler youth.

   You people do as much damage to the poor as the Hitler youth did.

Monckton's charge is false. The youth climate activists were certainly rude, but their actions didn't rise anywhere near the level of being "Hitler Youth." Some of the more glaring examples of discrepancies between Monckton's characterization of the activists and the actual Hitler Youth include:

   * The climate activists didn't engage in violence. The Hitler Youth did.
   * The climate activists didn't behave in militaristic manner. The Hitler Youth did.
   * The climate activists showed no sign of anti-Semitism. The Hitler Youth did.
   * It's not mandatory for all youths to be climate activists. It was mandatory for all German children to be members of the Hitler Youth.

Clearly, as I said yesterday, Monckton is as ignorant of the history of Nazism as he is of climate science. Furthermore, Monckton has no expertise in climate or any other hard science whatsoever – his diploma is in journalism and he's educated in classics, not science, engineering, or mathematics. He is a member of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) delegation to Copenhagen, and he's on record as believing in a New World Order/global government conspiracy that climate disruption is a tool for the UN to create a global government:

   "I read the Copenhagen treaty," says Lord Monckton. "And what it says is this; that a world government is going to be created. The word "government" actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity."

CFACT is an oil company and mining interest-funded fake-grassroots (aka "astroturf") organization that is one of the more powerful forces in climate disruption denial.

Two other members of the CFACT delegation include S. Fred Singer and Steve Milloy. Singer is a scientist who was paid by the Tobacco Institute to write a paper that cast doubt on the connection between second hand smoke and cancer and who has a connection with the widely discredited Petition Project of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine that falsely claimed an overwhelming number of scientists as disbelieving in climate disruption. S&R examined the OISM petition's claims and found that the OISM petition signatories, at most, 0.3% of all US scientists even when using the OISM's own expansive definition of "scientist."

Milloy is a non-scientist who presents himself as an expert on climate and other controversial scientific topics and who formed and ran an organization that was created using Philip Morris money for the express purpose of denying the dangers of smoking. S&R ran an investigative series on Milloy in December, 2007 that focused on his anti-climate disruption propaganda "survey" from DemandDebate.com, his background with various libertarian think tanks and working for Philip Morris, and his current financial backers and associates including at least one man who offered bribes to scientists who would write op-eds against the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.

Given the background of Monckton's current associates, it's perhaps not surprising that he would resort to falsely accusing climate activists of being "Hitler Youth." After all, Singer and Milloy have no problem distorting science and outright lying to enrich themselves and protect the profits of their backers.

[USRufnex]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?a=18

  It's the sun
   Climate's changed before
   There is no consensus
   It's cooling
   Models are unreliable
   Temp record is unreliable
   It hasn't warmed since 1998
   Ice age predicted in the 70s
   We're heading into an ice age
   Antarctica is gaining ice
   View All Arguments...

[guido911]

Hitler youth?  Hitler youth?
Shame on you again, Gweedster.

What is with you and your persistent issuance of "shame". Seriously, who the f^ck are you and what entitles you to wag your pissant finger at anyone. As I stated earlier in another thread where you were once again (and right on schedule) giving the liberal position its requisite reach around, you are a bottom-feeder whose mere existence depends upon someone else's generosity. Oh, and I read you just bought your first home. Make sure you check and see if you can take advantage of the first time home buyer credit, ignoring or course that some other "rich" sap will have to make up the difference.

O/T

Here is a link to a video of these AGW morons disrupting the meeting that I believe prompted Monckton's beatdown.

http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/12/seig-heil-lord-monckton-coppenhagen.html

[Hoss]

What is with you and your persistent issuance of "shame". Seriously, who the f^ck are you and what entitles you to wag your pissant finger at anyone. As I stated earlier in another thread where you were once again (and right on schedule) giving the liberal position its requisite reach around, you are a bottom-feeder whose mere existence depends upon someone else's generosity. Oh, and I read you just bought your first home. Make sure you check and see if you can take advantage of the first time home buyer credit, ignoring or course that some other "rich" sap will have to make up the difference.

O/T

Here is a link to a video of these AGW morons disrupting the meeting that I believe prompted Monckton's beatdown.

http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/12/seig-heil-lord-monckton-coppenhagen.html

Pot/kettle/black, anyone?

[rwarn17588]

What is with you and your persistent issuance of "shame". Seriously, who the f^ck are you and what entitles you to wag your pissant finger at anyone. As I stated earlier in another thread where you were once again (and right on schedule) giving the liberal position its requisite reach around, you are a bottom-feeder whose mere existence depends upon someone else's generosity. Oh, and I read you just bought your first home. Make sure you check and see if you can take advantage of the first time home buyer credit, ignoring or course that some other "rich" sap will have to make up the difference.

I see that guido has quit going to his anger-management classes again.

[guido911]

I see that guido has quit going to his anger-management classes again.

I see the requisite liberal position reach around has turned into a full on repeat circle jerk of the usual suspects (and again, right on schedule).

[guido911]

Here is Monckton destroying a Greenpeace activist:

[we vs us]

I see the requisite liberal position reach around has turned into a full on repeat circle jerk of the usual suspects (and again, right on schedule).

*ding* 

Well, since this is my round in the requisite liberal circle jerk, I choose to use my minute of fight time to simply say:  the most dangerous thing in the world is a titled, well-dressed Englishman with an exacting command of the wrong information. I'm amazed at how pretty pure-D horseshit smells when the English are shoveling it up.  I'm hoping that in the future, Lord Monckton will do me the favor of 1) announcing the results of my colo-rectal exam 2) reading the fine print of my rapidly dwindling employer-funded health insurance 3) tolling a list of the Afghan dead and 4) providing a dramatic reading of the fine print of the Goldman Sachs prospectus. 

If he can do all that and I'm still smiling at the end, I promise to vote Republican from here till the end of time.

[Ed W]

Interestingly enough, Lord Monckton's education includes a journalism degree, business experience, puzzle design, and a stint as one of Maggie Thatcher's advisors.  He has no scientific background, so by the usual Alice in Wonderland process so well used in conservative circles, that makes him a credible voice when it comes to climate change. 

Now, it's perfectly reasonable to accept the common sense views of an ordinary person, or in Lord Monckton's case, the views of a well-educated man without any expertise in the subject.  Education and specialization is far over-rated anyway.  The next time I need surgery, I'll ask for a librarian.  Why call an electrician to work on the wiring in my house when I can have the same work done by a bicycle mechanic?  And who really needs a dentist?  I have pliers and a Dremel tool.  Imagine the money we could save if we had the local plumber assembling nuclear detonators rather than those pesky scientific types!

And why stop there?  We could nominate some small town mayor to be our president, or have a senator from a small backwater state make government policy on science.  It truly boggles the mind.

By the way, the good Lord Monckton wanted to curb AIDS by rounding up infected individuals and quarantine them for life.  The rest of the population would have to submit to monthly blood tests.  Civil liberties be damned.  Besides being a whack job, he's a totalitarian.

[Conan71]

Interestingly enough, Lord Monckton's education includes a journalism degree, business experience, puzzle design, and a stint as one of Maggie Thatcher's advisors.  He has no scientific background, so by the usual Alice in Wonderland process so well used in conservative circles, that makes him a credible voice when it comes to climate change. 

Now, it's perfectly reasonable to accept the common sense views of an ordinary person, or in Lord Monckton's case, the views of a well-educated man without any expertise in the subject.  Education and specialization is far over-rated anyway.  The next time I need surgery, I'll ask for a librarian.  Why call an electrician to work on the wiring in my house when I can have the same work done by a bicycle mechanic?  And who really needs a dentist?  I have pliers and a Dremel tool.  Imagine the money we could save if we had the local plumber assembling nuclear detonators rather than those pesky scientific types!

So he's about as well-qualified as Al Gore to be an expert on climate change, then.

[Hoss]

So he's about as well-qualified as Al Gore to be an expert on climate change, then.

Apples/oranges and you know it.  He cites scientists; he doesn't claim to be one.  His only downfall in that area to conservatives is that he's the former VP who also happens to have (D) next to his name.

[Conan71]

Apples/oranges and you know it.  He cites scientists; he doesn't claim to be one.  His only downfall in that area to conservatives is that he's the former VP who also happens to have (D) next to his name.

No, it's really not as per previous comments by Ed and Ruf.  They both point out Lord Monckton's degree is in journalism and that he's not a trained climatologist.  Al Gore is not a trained climatologist either.

Let's see, started out in English at Hahvahd, took A climatology course, graduated with a degree in government, served as a "journalist" for part of his hitch in the Army, went to divinity school at Vandy, and worked as a journalist again before turning politician.

If you are going to insist that one messenger's educational credentials are essential to an issue, then the credentials of all messengers should be important as well.

Keep diggin' guys you need new holes for moving those goal posts around.