Terror Attack in the Skies Thwarted

[waterboy]

Or the passengers prevented the first attempt from continuing. It doesn't matter though, because apparently courage is a four letter word to certain lefties on this board.

What kind of crap is this? I point out the obvious and because I lean left it implies I consider those who jumped him lacking in courage? He was stunned and his nuts on fire. I give them kudos for keeping it from going any farther but, c'mon Guido you're better than that. Save your venom for a real enemy.

The point is better made by Custosox. We are in a tough situation when we balance off the freedoms we fight for against the safety of our citizens. Especially when its not likely that giving up our freedoms means more safety. We could have tighter security, Bush in office, immediate elimination of all of our lefties and guess what....someone will figure out a way to blow up a freakin plane.

[guido911]

What kind of crap is this? I point out the obvious and because I lean left it implies I don't consider those who jumped him lacking in courage? He was stunned and his nuts on fire. I give them kudos for keeping it from going any farther but, c'mon Guido you're better than that. Save your venom for a real enemy.

Venom?  Your skin ain't that thin. I was responding to your post which focused more on criticizing the title of this thread ("failed" rather than "thwarted" terrorist attack) and giving zero credit to the heroic efforts of the passengers. Only after you were called on that (or felt guilted) is when you got around to giving "kudos" to them. Notwithstanding, you are correct and my attack was over the top. 

[nathanm]

It was in his underwear, not his shoes. 

Exactly my point. Shoe removal is a security-theater reaction to Richard Reid.

Employing the correct solution in the first place would have nipped this attempt in the bud.

[waterboy]

Venom?  Your skin ain't that thin. I was responding to your post which focused more on criticizing the title of this thread ("failed" rather than "thwarted" terrorist attack) and giving zero credit to the heroic efforts of the passengers. Only after you were called on that (or felt guilted) is when you got around to giving "kudos" to them. Notwithstanding, you are correct and my attack was over the top. 

Actually you sniped at me with two posts. In your zeal to hate on lefties, you sometimes fail to note when one is agreeing with you. On your reply to the thread entitled "Napolitano the moron", you play the opposite tack and criticize her for pretty much saying the same thing you entitled this thread! You're both spinning the story.

I'm glad the passengers responded in defense of their lives, but the attack was not thwarted by the brave passengers who jumped him. It was already failed by that time according to published reports. Nor was it thwarted by the complex security measures installed.

I only feel guilty that I continue to read posts from zealots on both ends of the spectrum that despise each other and use their skills to yank our country around like an untrained puppy on a chain.

[Ed W]

Seems like it wasn't really thwarted. More like it failed. He did discharge it but it only succeeded in burning his hands and nuts. He was sitting over a fuel tank. Had it worked as planned the plane would have blown up on the runway.

GREAT BALLS O' FIRE!!!!!

Well...somebody had to say it.

[waterboy]

I'm so glad he lived through this so that as he's imprisoned for the rest of his life, everytime he goes to pee he has to look at the shriveled remains and wonder...."what was I thinking?"

[Ed W]

At this moment, there is another airliner on the ground in Detroit being searched because the flight crew radioed in that they have a "verbally abusive" passenger.  CNN is showing video of all the luggage spread out on the tarmac for dogs to sniff, and deciding which bags they may wish to explode with a bomb squad robot.

Crying wolf, or just more TSA theater?

And what constitutes "verbally abusive"?

As it turns out the other verbally abusive Nigerian passenger has been questioned and released after investigators determined he was not a threat.

However, there's this too:

   Police say Ivana Trump has been escorted off a plane in Florida after she became belligerent when children were running and screaming in the aisles.

   Authorities say the first ex-wife of billionaire Donald Trump cursed at the children Saturday, and when flight attendants on the New York-bound plane tried to calm her, she became even more aggravated. Her spokeswoman, Catherine Saxton, did not immediately return a telephone message...

   She has not been charged in the incident at Palm Beach International Airport. Palm Beach County sheriff's deputies asked Trump to voluntarily exit the plane, but they said she refused. She was then escorted off.


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/144820/ivana_trump,_second_nigerian_man_escorted_off_airplanes?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet

Anyone wanna bet that Ivana Trump gets better treatment than some disheveled guy demanding a beer?  Money doesn't just talk.  It shouts.

[guido911]

Jeez waterboy, I acknowledged my post was over the top. What do you want me to do, grovel at your feet? As for my Napolitano post, the purpose was not to make any point other than how stupid her belief that the "system worked" all the while there were failures in security leading up to the attack. You couldn't see that? Imagine for a moment the response if Bush would have said the "system worked" after 9/11 because the government managed to ground all the planes that were flying at the time or that lives were saved by well-trained first responders.

[waterboy]

Jeez waterboy, I acknowledged my post was over the top. What do you want me to do, grovel at your feet?

I like that when women do it, but no men thank you very much.

I like the guy I saw on 60 minutes tonite describe, from an insiders point of view, that Osama and co. "are truly the dark forces of evil" and that unlike America, "they have no vision for the world". This battle is shaping up as a war entirely different than any we've had to fight before. I hope we're up to it and I hope it doesn't take a major catastrophe like 911 to pull us all together again.

[guido911]

I like that when women do it, but no men thank you very much.

I like the guy I saw on 60 minutes tonite describe, from an insiders point of view, that Osama and co. "are truly the dark forces of evil" and that unlike America, "they have no vision for the world". This battle is shaping up as a war entirely different than any we've had to fight before. I hope we're up to it and I hope it doesn't take a major catastrophe like 911 to pull us all together again.

I know, you have to draw the line somewhere. Unfortunately your line is after talking at length about a terrorist's injured junk. 

Sixty minutes? Is that show still on? I digress. How is what people are saying Obama any different than what people said about evil Bushco? Remember this Soros interview?

[waterboy]

There are people, and there are people and they all like to talk and some sell books. I could link some video of Coulter, Beck or Limbaugh, but why? Bush was not an evil Nazi and Obama is not a racist empty suit. Those who say these things simply lose chunks of credibility with the rest of us who have opinions all over the political spectrum. I for instance differ from my more liberal friends in that I think Obama is correct in pursuing terrorism and its leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are learning how to battle these folks as we go. Find that on Huffpo.

Why are you on such a crusade to defend Bush and destroy Obama? Neither is worthy of such. You're looking for fairness and parity in politics? Really? You'll never persuade anyone that you're righteous unless they already lean your direction. Even family. Then what's the point? The best you could do is pique curiousity and bolster fringe website logons. As for me, I seldom click the links you, Ruf or FOTD wave around like red flags in the bull ring. Life's too short. I prefer a well reasoned discourse by well informed writers, seasoned with some real life experience, brevity and humor. I will investigate their views and consider their validity. Sometimes I find that here. 

Anyway, hope you had a Merry Christmas. All of you.

[Hoss]

There are people, and there are people and they all like to talk and some sell books. I could link some video of Coulter, Beck or Limbaugh, but why? Bush was not an evil Nazi and Obama is not a racist empty suit. Those who say these things simply lose chunks of credibility with the rest of us who have opinions all over the political spectrum. I for instance differ from my more liberal friends in that I think Obama is correct in pursuing terrorism and its leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are learning how to battle these folks as we go. Find that on Huffpo.

Why are you on such a crusade to defend Bush and destroy Obama? Neither is worthy of such. You're looking for fairness and parity in politics? Really? You'll never persuade anyone that you're righteous unless they already lean your direction. Even family. Then what's the point? The best you could do is pique curiousity and bolster fringe website logons. As for me, I seldom click the links you, Ruf or FOTD wave around like red flags in the bull ring. Life's too short. I prefer a well reasoned discourse by well informed writers, seasoned with some real life experience, brevity and humor. I will investigate their views and consider their validity. Sometimes I find that here. 

Anyway, hope you had a Merry Christmas. All of you.

One answer...Freeper.  Card-carrying-member

[guido911]

I prefer a well reasoned discourse by well informed writers, seasoned with some real life experience, brevity and humor. I will investigate their views and consider their validity. Sometimes I find that here. 

Anyway, hope you had a Merry Christmas. All of you.

Fair enough. But what about my joke?

I am not on any crusade, other than pointing out to you and others that what you perceive what Obama is going through is something entirely unique is in actuality no different than what happened to Bush and even worse to Clinton. Seriously, it's as if Obama is our first president. Now, have I been tough on Obama and his supporters? Yep, just as many in this forum were hard on the previous president. I do have a serious question for you; could you please direct me to a link where you went after those on this board that attacked Bush?

[waterboy]

Fair enough. But what about my joke?

I am not on any crusade, other than pointing out to you and others that what you perceive what Obama is going through is something entirely unique is in actuality no different than what happened to Bush and even worse to Clinton. Seriously, it's as if Obama is our first president. Now, have I been tough on Obama and his supporters? Yep, just as many in this forum were hard on the previous president. I do have a serious question for you; could you please direct me to a link where you went after those on this board that attacked Bush?

I guess there are those who believe that Obama is being treated differently than other presidents. Not I. I have seen ten presidents in my lifetime unfairly attacked for a wide range of offenses from petty to criminal. It keeps the media happy. Historically, his treatment is tame compared to 19th century attacks. This one is concurrent with new technology and that magnifies the insanity. That's different.

I often remain silent when attacks are made from either side. Sometimes because I agree, sometimes because I don't feel strongly enough to take the time and sometimes because my input is only opinion and hard to defend. I think I have taken issue with FOTD on occasion but you're right, I'd be hard pressed to find the links.  I do recall his first term as being less objectionable to me than the second when I perceived he lost control and became too partisan.

However, I have not "gone after" those who attack Obama either. Including you (i hope). As long as its not personal, indefensible or illegal I'm all for differing opinions. I even championed FB to remain till he got racist. I read your posts, and sometimes agree but in general you seem on some sort of anti-Obama jag. Lots of crazy links and inflammatory snipes. Truly, so does your "Moriarty".

Maybe its just that you can't stand hypocritical posting. Plenty of that around.

[patric]

As it turns out the other verbally abusive Nigerian passenger has been questioned and released after investigators determined he was not a threat.

Turns out the passenger got air sick (which is apparently something Delta crew are unfamiliar with) and only became verbally abusive after the flight crew forced their way into the bathroom and dragged him out of the toilet in front of everybody.

A nice lawsuit against Delta should settle that.