NEW DOWNTOWN MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT IN THE WORKS

[sgrizzle]

It's never a successful topic on TulsaNow until "Marshall's Beer" is invoked. 

The rest of the internet has "Rule 34," "Godwin's law," etc. We have "Marshall's Law."

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

I would like to see a drug store with normal hours like an urban Walgreens or something.  There is nothing like that near downtown.  It can also provide groceries as well.  Also, I always wished there was a Dunkin Donuts downtown because I like their coffee and it is affordable.

[TheLofts@120]

Thank you all for the continued effort.  Hopefully we can get more as the days and weeks progress and as we make more information available.

So far we have:

Coffee Shop
Bakery/Panera type
Bookstore
Drugstore/Walgreens type
Grocery/market
Drycleaners/drop off-pick up

We vs Us - The local property owner has thus far determined he wants a long term investment in Tulsa's downtown, hence the rental vs condo

Conan - We are currently looking at between 56-70 units

dsjeffries - sizing is being determined based on building structure and column spacing.  The smallest will be approximately 840 based on current conceptuals

Thank you all for your input, please keep it up.

[Conan71]

Must...get....to....Ranch Acres.....more....Jamoke....needed!

Better hurry, I'm tempted to buy whatever they've got left...

[sgrizzle]

I would like to see a drug store with normal hours like an urban Walgreens or something.  There is nothing like that near downtown.  It can also provide groceries as well.  Also, I always wished there was a Dunkin Donuts downtown because I like their coffee and it is affordable.

CVS does urban stores in other cities, with a decent grocery section. Since they are now in Tulsa, hopefully they will consider it.

[Red Arrow]

Ignoring the chicken-egg situation for the moment,  what kind of population level is generally required to support the type of retail being suggested?  One would have to include the fact that not everyone would shop in said store every day.

[Nik]

Ignoring the chicken-egg situation for the moment,  what kind of population level is generally required to support the type of retail being suggested?  One would have to include the fact that not everyone would shop in said store every day.

given the scarcity of grocery stores near downtown, a potential store in this building would pull from many downtown residencies. plus the people who work downtown who want to grab a couple quick groceries before heading home. trust me, i live in sand springs and the potential to stop at a small grocery store downtown instead of super walmart is very, very appealing.

[SXSW]

CVS does urban stores in other cities, with a decent grocery section. Since they are now in Tulsa, hopefully they will consider it.

Off topic but you know a good location for CVS/Walgreens, or even a large grocery store like Reasor's, would be the parking lot immediately to the east of the Warehouse Market by 11th & Elgin.  It would serve both downtown and the Pearl/Cherry Street neighborhoods with good visibility along the highway and on 11th, plus they could share parking with Home Depot to the north.  Maybe have this as your major grocery for the area while a smaller urban grocery in the CBD would be for downtown residents walking or biking to get just a few items.  A nice setup for downtown and surrounding neighborhoods would be a large grocery at 11th & Elgin, CVS/Walgreens at 12th & Denver, Whole Foods/health food store at 15th & Boston, and small grocery/convenience store somewhere inside the CBD walking distance to Blue Dome and Brady.

[Townsend]

Ignoring the chicken-egg situation for the moment,  what kind of population level is generally required to support the type of retail being suggested?  One would have to include the fact that not everyone would shop in said store every day.

I work out of DT but stopping there for groceries on the way home is more on my way than many other places.

Also, I spend alot of time DT for fun so a store there would help me out.

[Red Arrow]

given the scarcity of grocery stores near downtown, a potential store in this building would pull from many downtown residencies. plus the people who work downtown who want to grab a couple quick groceries before heading home. trust me, i live in sand springs and the potential to stop at a small grocery store downtown instead of super walmart is very, very appealing.

Sorry if my post implied only the residents of the lofts being discussed.  Clearly, other residents in the area would shop there too.  Convenience shoppers already downtown would shop there.  I doubt you would drive from SS to downtown on a regular basis solely to shop at the stores in question.

A specialty store could draw from a much larger area. In the late 80s, I bought a computer printer (Epson LQ 1000) from a store downtown because they had one to look at. I went in spite of parking meters and business hours not convenient for my other commitments.

Edit: Forgot to ask again, what population level?

[Conan71]

The novelty of a grocery in the CBD for those living outside the CBD will wear off pretty quickly if there is limited parking within the block.  No one wants to schlep groceries a few blocks unless they are schlepping them to their own place.  Again it's our manditory auto lifestyle we are used to.

When I lived at Center Plaza from 1987 to 1989, the Homeland was still open at 11th & Denver.  I would walk if I needed a bag-full or less.  If it was the major shopping week, I had to take the car, and that still meant a few trips from the car to the elevator in the building.

[Townsend]

The novelty of a grocery in the CBD for those living outside the CBD will wear off pretty quickly if there is limited parking within the block.  No one wants to schlep groceries a few blocks unless they are schlepping them to their own place.  Again it's our manditory auto lifestyle we are used to.

I think there has to be plenty of parking unless the builder files for a variance so sadly, that might not be a problem for you.

[Nik]

Off topic but you know a good location for CVS/Walgreens, or even a large grocery store like Reasor's, would be the parking lot immediately to the east of the Warehouse Market by 11th & Elgin.  It would serve both downtown and the Pearl/Cherry Street neighborhoods with good visibility along the highway and on 11th, plus they could share parking with Home Depot to the north.  Maybe have this as your major grocery for the area while a smaller urban grocery in the CBD would be for downtown residents walking or biking to get just a few items.  A nice setup for downtown and surrounding neighborhoods would be a large grocery at 11th & Elgin, CVS/Walgreens at 12th & Denver, Whole Foods/health food store at 15th & Boston, and small grocery/convenience store somewhere inside the CBD walking distance to Blue Dome and Brady.

I'm sure Reasor's is out since that would be pretty close to their 15th & Lewis location. However, I do know that that store is way too small for the business it does. I believe it's the busiest Reasor's in Tulsa and maybe the 2nd busiest after the new one in Jenks but it is really small. So maybe a 2nd location close by or a completely new store in a bigger location nearby isn't completely out of the question.

[Conan71]

I'm sure Reasor's is out since that would be pretty close to their 15th & Lewis location. However, I do know that that store is way too small for the business it does. I believe it's the busiest Reasor's in Tulsa and maybe the 2nd busiest after the new one in Jenks but it is really small. So maybe a 2nd location close by or a completely new store in a bigger location nearby isn't completely out of the question.

I don't think that's too close.  They operate one at 41st & Yale, 18th & Yale, and 15th & Lewis.  The 18th & Yale store is within two miles of the other two give or take a tenth.

[Red Arrow]

I think there has to be plenty of parking unless the builder files for a variance so sadly, that might not be a problem for you.

The initial post mentioned "easy access to off-site reserved parking".  Sounds like no (or a minimal number of) new parking spaces.