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Oil/Gas Drilling in City Limits

Started by SXSW, January 22, 2010, 04:40:38 PM

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SXSW

Could this be a way to make up for falling sales tax revenue?  The City Council lifted its 104 year moratorium on oil/gas drilling within city limits on Jan. 14 and has already had some interest in potential leases.  What do you think, good or bad idea? 

Urban Tulsa article
http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A29070
 

RecycleMichael

I served on this task force. I think the past Mayor appointed me just to make sure somebody looked at green issues.

At first, I was 100% against drilling in the city limits, especially in Mohawk Park. After our first meeting, I went back and spent a week researching the information I had been given.

I was surprised to learn how much progress had been made lately concerning low impact drilling. Gone are the days were they just built a road, a bunch of pads and scarred the land with salt water splashing.

I now believe that using a single pad, pervious pavements and limited intrusion in both getting equipment in and product out is possible. I offered many particulars, including protecting watershed and proximity to reservoirs that made the final ordinance that the council approved.

If the oil and gas guys follow the language and spirit of the ordinance, I think everything will be fine.
Power is nothing till you use it.

shadows

#2
Geologist's of whom I have worked with in constructing instruments trying to find the Glenpool 2nd strike have been very disappointed in the Tulsa area.  It seems the oil is in the shallow sands and in a very limited supply.  The Tiawah hills seems to form the rim to the basin which claimed the sands holding the oil producing material in the upheaval of the earth.  The underground fault that runs near and through Tulsa possibly would have kept the formation of a substantial pool of oil that would justify drilling.  

Of course if we have some wild-cat-ters who have several thousand dollars to spend getting in the oil business, Tulsa does have some sharpies that will take your money, standing on nearly every corner in the Downtown Disposal loop. If you see a crowd on a corner they are possibly those who are standing in line to buy that prime property the old city hall is sitting on.  
;D
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

RecycleMichael

I am pretty sure the big pool is directly below shadows house.

Aunt Pearl thinks you should move to Bev er Ly...hills that is.
Power is nothing till you use it.

shadows

Just make sure that the anticipated oil income going to the city is not included in the next year budget.  They are working now on last year budget established by the dreamers of projected income and it has caused a run on crying towels. ;D ;D ;D
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

FOTD

Quote from: shadows on January 23, 2010, 03:39:01 PM
Just make sure that the anticipated oil income going to the city is not included in the next year budget.  They are working now on last year budget established by the dreamers of projected income and it has caused a run on crying towels. ;D ;D ;D


Rumor has it that Keener Oil is out leasing up acreage all over town.... ha ha. They plan to further pollute the county.

Red Arrow

Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 22, 2010, 11:20:18 PM
I am pretty sure the big pool is directly below shadows house.

Aunt Pearl thinks you should move to Bev er Ly...hills that is.

Swimmin' pools, movie stars.....
 

shadows

Quote from: Red Arrow on January 23, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
Swimmin' pools, movie stars.....
Hadn't thought about it but there might be some of the Playboy Bunnies in the pool.  I'll take the cell phone out there and take some pictures to post.  Is there a limit on the transparency allowed on this form?  Such wonderful times we are living in. ;D ;D ;D
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

patric

Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 22, 2010, 08:04:21 PM

At first, I was 100% against drilling in the city limits, especially in Mohawk Park. After our first meeting, I went back and spent a week researching the information I had been given.

I admit my first impression was what might happen after a heavy rainfall with oil and brine being washed into the stormwater drains and going into the river.
But I honestly dont know how that would compare with the current situation of all the salt left behind from the snow treatment washing into the storm drains right now.
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum

Red Arrow

Quote from: patric on January 24, 2010, 01:04:10 PM
I admit my first impression was what might happen after a heavy rainfall with oil and brine being washed into the stormwater drains and going into the river.
But I honestly dont know how that would compare with the current situation of all the salt left behind from the snow treatment washing into the storm drains right now.

After a trip through the salt flats, I don't think the road salt has that much effect on the Arkansas river.  I've heard the rumor that Lake Keystone is salty enough to support sharks.  No idea if it is really true.
 

SXSW

I know there is plenty of natural gas under Tulsa County and Oklahoma in general:


And companies are actively drilling oil wells in Tulsa County, not sure what part though:
http://oilgasexploration.energy-business-review.com/news/austex_oil_starts_drilling_mayo_moore_5_well_in_tulsa_county_oklahoma_091211/
 

Steve

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I think it is pretty safe to say that most property owners in the Tulsa city limits own only surface rights and do not own the mineral/oil drilling rights to their land; at least that is always what I have been told.  I have read my entire homestead abstract several times and can not find reference to the mineral rights ownership.

Just curious, but anyone know how one can find out who owns the mineral/oil rights to their residential property?  There were documents in my abstract regarding a past water rights dispute (interesting reading), but nothing about minerals/oil.



FOTD

#12
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 22, 2010, 08:04:21 PM
I served on this task force. I think the past Mayor appointed me just to make sure somebody looked at green issues.

At first, I was 100% against drilling in the city limits, especially in Mohawk Park. After our first meeting, I went back and spent a week researching the information I had been given.

I was surprised to learn how much progress had been made lately concerning low impact drilling. Gone are the days were they just built a road, a bunch of pads and scarred the land with salt water splashing.

I now believe that using a single pad, pervious pavements and limited intrusion in both getting equipment in and product out is possible. I offered many particulars, including protecting watershed and proximity to reservoirs that made the final ordinance that the council approved.

If the oil and gas guys follow the language and spirit of the ordinance, I think everything will be fine.

What research were you "given" and who paid for the research? Also, how do you protect watersheds upon fracking and how can you trace pollutants to reservoirs after the formations have been split? Does one examine the flow before and after a well commences?

Rico

I would like  the "seismic imaging contract" for this exploration of Tulsa.




Breadburner

I would imagine some Indians might have something to say about this......