Killer of Tiller On Trial

[FOTD]

In Wichita...before a devote Catholic judge....who seems to be leaning towards lessening the crime from first degree murder to manslaughter. Scott Roeder killed Tiller. He needs to be gassed. He'll get off or have a minor term in jail. Watch.
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1673642.html
http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1702032.html

love the comments....

Well, this s/b interesting. The defense plans to go full bore trying to prove that all Scott Roeder was trying to do was to save innocent lives. Our judicial system live from Wichita Kansas. Not sweet.

[FOTD]

HOLY SMOKIES! DEADFWRONG WAS FOTD!

Scott Roeder found guilty of first-degree murder in Tiller killing

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/83322.html
" WICHITA, Kan. — After 37 minutes of deliberation, a jury today found Scott Roeder guilty of first-degree murder in the shooting death of Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller.

Jurors also convicted Roeder of two counts of aggravated assault for threatening two men who chased him as he fled Tiller's church after the shooting.

Sedgwick County District Judge Warren Wilbert set Roeder's sentencing for March 9. Roeder faces a maximum sentence of life in prison.

The prosecution said it will pursue a "hard 50" sentence, which means 50 years in prison with no chance of parole."

The irony is that Roeder was not given the death penalty, which his fellow cultist  "Right to Life" henchmen support.

[rwarn17588]

I didn't think the voluntary manslaughter "defense" would fly, and it didn't.

[Conan71]

I can't believe it took more than five minutes to convict him.  They played his testimony from the stand on the news last night, real cut and dry: "Yep I shot him".  What more did we need to know?  Roeder thinks of himself as a martyr, he doesn't GAF.

[rwarn17588]

I can't believe it took more than five minutes to convict him. 

The jurors probably ordered lunch.

[Hometown]

Have you noticed how we don't include Radical Right Terrorists when we talk about who terrorists are and what they look like and what faith they practice?  Our blinders on this issue leave us largely unpepared for a real threat, and allows folks like Inhoff to make wildly inaccurate statements about who terrorists are.

[Conan71]

Have you noticed how we don't include Radical Right Terrorists when we talk about who terrorists are and what they look like and what faith they practice?  Our blinders on this issue leave us largely unpepared for a real threat, and allows folks like Inhoff to make wildly inaccurate statements about who terrorists are.

Yeah right because it was radical right-wing nuts who flew planes into WTC, The Pentagon, and a field in Pa, bombed military barracks overseas, set off IED's on road sides in Afghanistan and Iraq, drove boats into our warships, bomb night clubs, etc.

Roeder isn't a terrorist, he's a self-appointed martyr.  Obviously, an incredibly small percentage of anti-abortion activists seem to carry their beliefs as far as he does, otherwise there would be no abortion industry in the U.S. as all abortion doctors would be dead or living in fear of being blown up or shot to the point they would no longer provide abortion services.

I think it was safe to call Timoty McVeigh a terrorist.  Please note there was another lone nut as well.  Yes there are people out there with anti-government views, but apparently they are not as crazy as McVeigh was.

[FOTD]

Yes they are....

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=13556.msg153723#msg153723

Conan, the demon inside of me is being restrained from getting personal.

[Conan71]

Yes they are....

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=13556.msg153723#msg153723

Conan, the demon inside of me is being restrained from getting personal.

And, by and large, I'd posit that the majority of Christians and pro-life supporters don't believe in, nor advocate killing abortion providers.  I'm sure there is a small fringe out there who wholeheartedly love what Roeder did.

[FOTD]

Conan, why do we not hear these "Christians" calling them out for the hatred and violence?

A fanatic becomes a terrorist and then the "Christians" fear retaliation?

[rwarn17588]

Conan, why do we not hear these "Christians" calling them out for the hatred and violence?

For the same reason modern Muslims say little about radical Muslims -- the radicals are part of the same tribe, and there's a reluctance to speak out.

[Conan71]

Conan, why do we not hear these "Christians" calling them out for the hatred and violence?

A fanatic becomes a terrorist and then the "Christians" fear retaliation?

Depends on what you Google FOTD.  Any of the 'legit' groups who oppose abortion denounced this crime as well as the clinic bombings back in the '90's.

"Opponents of abortion, including those here who have been most vociferous in their protests of Dr. Tiller and his work, also expressed outrage at the shooting and said they feared that their groups might be wrongly judged by the act.

Troy Newman, the president of Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion group based in Wichita, said he had always sought out "nonviolent" measures to challenge Dr. Tiller, including efforts in recent years to have him prosecuted for crimes or investigated by state health authorities.

"Operation Rescue has worked tirelessly on peaceful, nonviolent measures to bring him to justice through the legal system, the legislative system," Mr. Newman said, adding, "We are pro-life, and this act was antithetical to what we believe."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/01tiller.html

[cecelia]

Depends on what you Google FOTD.  Any of the 'legit' groups who oppose abortion denounced this crime as well as the clinic bombings back in the '90's.

No, that's not true, actually. I lurk on some extremist right wing boards, and there is a tremendous amount of support for this murder, as well as similar acts, like the fellow in the North Carolina area who hid out in the woods for so long after several bombings in the south.

As for McVeigh, I wouldn't call him a lone wolf, either. What was that Christian identity group in far Eastern Oklahoma he was hooked up with? Elohim City or something?

But whatever the case, extremist rightwingers have tried to parse this crap til the cows come home, but their support for these acts is based on ideologies which are no different in sense or flavor than those of extremist Muslims, and their refusal to acknowledge a terrorist is as a terrorist does is yet more evidence of their deep, profound hypocrisy of word and being.

Then again, they usually use the cover-all of "I'm saved!" quickly followed by "But Christians aren't perfect, why does everyone expect us to be perfect, we're not perfect, blah blah blah, but we're saved!!" to excuse themselves from any responsibility.

[Conan71]

No, that's not true, actually. I lurk on some extremist right wing boards, and there is a tremendous amount of support for this murder, as well as similar acts, like the fellow in the North Carolina area who hid out in the woods for so long after several bombings in the south.

As for McVeigh, I wouldn't call him a lone wolf, either. What was that Christian identity group in far Eastern Oklahoma he was hooked up with? Elohim City or something?

But whatever the case, extremist rightwingers have tried to parse this crap til the cows come home, but their support for these acts is based on ideologies which are no different in sense or flavor than those of extremist Muslims, and their refusal to acknowledge a terrorist is as a terrorist does is yet more evidence of their deep, profound hypocrisy of word and being.

Then again, they usually use the cover-all of "I'm saved!" quickly followed by "But Christians aren't perfect, why does everyone expect us to be perfect, we're not perfect, blah blah blah, but we're saved!!" to excuse themselves from any responsibility.

Homogenize much, Cecilia? 

How many of those Elohim City kooks have bombed more federal buildings in the last 15 years?

Much like radical Muslims, radical Christians count for a very small minority of a very large religion but they get the lion's share of publicity.  What's the game with liberals to go full apologetic for Muslims yet act as if the situation is any different for another dominant world religion like Christianity? 

[FOTD]

Neither group comes out and condemns the minority within their cult for hate and violence. Add to the list Republicans.

And what is this bs about liberals going full apologetic for Muslims? Nonsense.

Wasn't the head of Elohim City jailed? They got scared....that's why they quit the bombings. They're all chickensh!ts.