Rep says no RFID Drivers License

[patric]

A state representative doesnt want Oklahomans being spied on by the feds;

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Legislation to prevent the state from imbedding a Radio Frequency IDentification tag on driver's licenses or state ID cards has passed a legislative panel.

The measure by Rep. Paul Wesselhoft of Moore passed 9-2 Monday.
Wesselhoft says the measure is an attempt to pre-empt the federal government from requiring the state to enhance state driver's licenses with radio frequency tags.

Critics say that RFID when coupled with other technologies could make people trackable without their knowledge.

But it's ok for the DPS and local police to do the same thing with automatic license plate scanning.
Go figure.

[nathanm]

A state representative doesnt want Oklahomans being spied on by the feds;

Critics say that RFID when coupled with other technologies could make people trackable without their knowledge.

But it's ok for the DPS and local police to do the same thing with automatic license plate scanning.
Go figure.

That's a very poor summary of the arguments against RFID tags in IDs, passports, and the like. Privacy is one issue. Security is another big one that hasn't really been solved yet, at least with current implementations.

I have less of a problem with license plate scanning (although I don't like it) than RFID IDs because license plate scanning is something the police can do with the Mark I eyeball. In Oklahoma, Law Enforcement currently cannot legally subject a person to a compulsory ID check without their knowledge or consent, barring reasonable suspicion that a particular person has engaged, is engaged, or will engage in a crime.

IDs with RFID tags can be scanned wholesale by law enforcement or anyone else who can get within a few yards of you.

I think you can see the difference.

[Hoss]

That's a very poor summary of the arguments against RFID tags in IDs, passports, and the like. Privacy is one issue. Security is another big one that hasn't really been solved yet, at least with current implementations.

I have less of a problem with license plate scanning (although I don't like it) than RFID IDs because license plate scanning is something the police can do with the Mark I eyeball. In Oklahoma, Law Enforcement currently cannot legally subject a person to a compulsory ID check without their knowledge or consent, barring reasonable suspicion that a particular person has engaged, is engaged, or will engage in a crime.

IDs with RFID tags can be scanned wholesale by law enforcement or anyone else who can get within a few yards of you.

I think you can see the difference.

If you've seen the barcode location on vehicle tags, you'd know they'd likely not be effective, given that a large amount of them will be hidden behind a tag frame.

Now, if you're talking about character scanning, you could do before then news tags also.

[Ed W]

Not to worry.  RFID only works within a few yards, as has been noted.  The GPS function in your cellphone, however, is trackable so long as you're in range of a cellular tower - and I think that's true even if you've 'turned off' the GPS.  The cellular provider and those ubiquitous alphabet soup government agencies can know where you are down to a meter or so.

[Red Arrow]

and I think that's true even if you've 'turned off' the GPS. 

I don't think my phone has GPS.  (Samsung A727)

How about if the entire phone is turned off (like mine mostly is)?

[Ed W]

That depends on how paranoid you are.  Dunno about cellphones, but allegedly the FBI has been able to use OnStar to listen in on mobsters, even when they thought the device was turned off.  For wired handsets, there's a way to make the mic hot all the time, so I'd assume it's possible with wireless devices too.  But I don't know if the GPS can be rigged that way.  If all else fails, remove the battery.

[Red Arrow]

Actually,  I'm not particularly worried if someone knows where I am.  I leave the phone off and in my briefcase because I don't belong to the "in contact 24/7" crowd.   I do have to admit it sometimes makes me feel out of place driving around in my car.  Maybe I could just hold my hand up to my ear and tilt my head.

And:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.   

[Conan71]

I don't engage in illegal activities (on a regular basis, at least  ), so I don't worry about being tracked for nefarious purposes by Big Bro.

[patric]

That's a very poor summary of the arguments against RFID tags in IDs, passports, and the like. Privacy is one issue. Security is another big one that hasn't really been solved yet, at least with current implementations.

You can find a number of websites that show how to clone RFIDs.  Not hard to hack.

In Oklahoma, Law Enforcement currently cannot legally subject a person to a compulsory ID check without their knowledge or consent, barring reasonable suspicion that a particular person has engaged, is engaged, or will engage in a crime.

You have never been to a club or nightspot where police just go from person to person checking for warrants, have you?  Seen it a few times.  I think that was one of the big complaints against Street Crimes units in the past, making us tourism un-friendly and all. [/quote]

IDs with RFID tags can be scanned wholesale by law enforcement or anyone else who can get within a few yards of you.

I think you just described wholesale data-mining of license tags, as well.

[patric]

Now, if you're talking about character scanning, you could do before then new tags also.

State police say it's meant to protect us from the uninsured.  Tulsa Police say it helps them find stolen cars.  But critics say a planned network of cameras designed to create a database of every vehicle on Oklahoma's roads will have a chilling effect on privacy.

Governor Henry's spokesperson said there hasn't been a final decision, but a legislative source close to the Department of Public Safety told FOX23, Governor Henry has already told the Department of Public Safety to move ahead with the installation of the cameras.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Big-Brother-OK-Highway-Cameras/WTC1ttvQuUaw6Z4SFVI1fw.cspx

[jamesrage]

A state representative doesnt want Oklahomans being spied on by the feds;

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Legislation to prevent the state from imbedding a Radio Frequency IDentification tag on driver's licenses or state ID cards has passed a legislative panel.

The measure by Rep. Paul Wesselhoft of Moore passed 9-2 Monday.
Wesselhoft says the measure is an attempt to pre-empt the federal government from requiring the state to enhance state driver's licenses with radio frequency tags.

Critics say that RFID when coupled with other technologies could make people trackable without their knowledge.

I hope it passed. I do not support the real ID act or any form of it.

But it's ok for the DPS and local police to do the same thing with automatic license plate scanning.
Go figure.

Is there any truth to this?Sounds like a good idea.

http://www.phantomplate.com/

[custosnox]

Is there any truth to this?Sounds like a good idea.

http://www.phantomplate.com/

mythbusters killed this one some time back

http://www.ghostplates.com/mythbusters.html

[Conan71]

$30 for a can of spray paint that's enough to do two car tags...wow!

[patric]

mythbusters killed this one some time back
http://www.ghostplates.com/mythbusters.html

The black Dodge Magnum TPD has been using uses infrared cameras, not a flash.
Part 2 of the Fox story is at http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx under "License Plate Cameras" 

[custosnox]

The black Dodge Magnum TPD has been using uses infrared cameras, not a flash.
Part 2 of the Fox story is at http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx under "License Plate Cameras" 

teach me not to really pay attention to my link.  the actual mythbusters one is here  but yeah, in in case, the spray doesn't work.