Look at what you are paying

[shadows]

To save our way of life and the society we strive to live in it is time we return to the values of the founding fathers and revert back from the socialism governmental tactics to capitalism as was intended.  By the outsourcing of the need of the city to private contractors it would restore accountability to the citizens through increased performance of monitored employees.

How many dollars would have been used for machinery to clean up the ice storm in 07 and would the city have been finished with it today? 

How many city employee are merely non productive standby employees?

When we have an increase in unemployment is the city supposed to increase their employment?

[swake]

To save our way of life and the society we strive to live in it is time we return to the values of the founding fathers and revert back from the socialism governmental tactics to capitalism as was intended.  By the outsourcing of the need of the city to private contractors it would restore accountability to the citizens through increased performance of monitored employees.

How many dollars would have been used for machinery to clean up the ice storm in 07 and would the city have been finished with it today? 

How many city employee are merely non productive standby employees?

When we have an increase in unemployment is the city supposed to increase their employment?

I wasn't aware that outsourcing civic jobs was a major trend in the 18th century in the United States.

[shadows]

There are some very intelligent persons that have posted on this form.  It has now come down to "mom his piece of pie is bigger than mine".   It can be readily sustained that in the 1800's the productive was among the independent operation where capital investors (the industrial revolution) were the producers of the items for a balanced economy.  In today's world we are depending on foreign production for items that were once produced locally.  The landscape of the city has made a drastic change in the last 75 years as the producers have left town to be replaced with the debt ridden aging population to a socialism system that is dependent on the working poor to provide them with above standards of livelihoods.

The established 8 hour work day has been increased to 10 hours in some of socialism departments.  The plea to the capitalism employer that and employee working 5/8 hour days punching a time clock is under stress and strain which could be relieved if he were given a week of free time with pay in order for him to sustain a continued equality of life he works for all the others week of the year.  Under the socialism system this stress and strain is bank rolled to be paid in a lump some at some future date.

The FD on 24 off 48 in order to be more efficient should be changed to 8 hour shifts as even in my experience working on one time jobs for 24 continues hours it was almost impossible to maintain being alert the entire time.  During the 30's where the rules were established to benefit labor in the labor relations acts the established 8/5/40 was defined as to be under the best physical ability for performance of labor.  The same conditions should apply to the police department.

There is not one function preformed by Tulsa socialism that could not be preformed by privatizing the departments bring much of the functions under budget.  In watching the filling of the pot holes the process used by the city of not drying out the hole and sealing it with hot tar is only like placing a Band-Aid on a well soaped wound on one's person.   If the city wants to use the asphalt paving that within a very short time cracks appear, these cracks should be sealed with hot tar before the rains filled them with water froze creating pot holes.  The city should be divided in street repair districts and privatized like the trash pickup, which would save millions of dollars.  The functions to maintain the city, under privatizing departments would reduce unneeded employees.  The federal government is just jumping up and down to print some more unemployment funds taking the burden off the aging citizens.

I am not aware of anywhere in the labor/relations act was there a requirement where the city was required to enter into contracts with unions representing city employees that could demand that the city debit spend beyond the legal established amount budget for the year.  Nor is there any part where they can demand that a tax on citizens be raised to increase bloated salaries. In fact there are statutes that prohibit it. The solution has got to come to where the organizations of employee are shown the amount of money that is budgeted to the department and let the employee representatives decide how to cut the pie in different pieces.

I am not aware for sure if the union has a check-off system in force but if one is available the amount that the city pays as taxpayer funds be subject open records.

At one time the papers published the daily fire runs.  It seem that due to the curtailment of news in the daily paper this would be a point of interest of most citizens now.
       

[RecycleMichael]

So you hate city workers because your mom gave you a small piece of pie?

Calling Dr. Freud...

[shadows]

So you hate city workers because your mom gave you a small piece of pie?

Calling Dr. Freud...

You missed the strike again.  Roll the ball again and see if you hit the pins you missed. 

The scenario used is that the city employees are not descendants of Roman Gods therefore the time has come to reevaluate the product of which the taxpayers are paying for.  There is no part of city government that cannot be improved and cost effective if it were privatized whereas cost could be reduced  as it would be imperative to the limitation of the funds that would effect the output increasing the production.

We should all stand behind the allotting of the budget funds and their limitations (of decreasing revenues) whereas we could give the budgeted monies to the employees organizations and let them distribute it.  Course this is a simple form of privatization.  If the organization cuts the pie surely the taxpayer would not be accused of disliking the employees of their own organization.

[RecycleMichael]

There is no part of city government that cannot be improved and cost effective if it were privatized...

Do you think we should privatize 911 operators? The police force? How about the job of Mayor?

Would you go with low bidder?

[Ed W]

How is Tulsa's city government socialist?

[shadows]

Do you think we should privatize 911 operators? The police force? How about the job of Mayor?

Would you go with low bidder?

Many cities are operated by a city manager appointed by a republic form.   911 operators are mortal not Roman Gods and it would be very simple to privatize it.  Read the story of Robert Peel and how he changed the police department in England. There are hundreds of security guards that are privatized. It would be very easy to change "security guards" to "Police" being also they are mortals.

Socialism=production and distribution of economy controlled by government.  First step to communism.  Was it not Paul Getty when the union demanded a closed shop, did close it and sold all supplies by auction and Tulsa lost a prime industry? 

[RecycleMichael]

Many cities are operated by a city manager appointed by a republic form.   

I am not sure you know what privatizing is. What is the difference of of hiring a city manager and hiring a department head like a police chief?

[swake]

Many cities are operated by a city manager appointed by a republic form.   911 operators are mortal not Roman Gods and it would be very simple to privatize it.  Read the story of Robert Peel and how he changed the police department in England. There are hundreds of security guards that are privatized. It would be very easy to change "security guards" to "Police" being also they are mortals.

Socialism=production and distribution of economy controlled by government.  First step to communism.  Was it not Paul Getty when the union demanded a closed shop, did close it and sold all supplies by auction and Tulsa lost a prime industry? 

I don't think you have considered the downside of privatizing police, didn't you see Robocop?

[Hoss]

I don't think you have considered the downside of privatizing police, didn't you see Robocop?

[waterboy]

Shadow, even though I suspect you were around in the 1800's to see how business operated, you didn't pay much attention. It wasn't socialist, that is true. It was more GOB Fascist. The government gave the rights to public properties to their friends (railroads, factory owners, real estate developers etc.) in exchange for development. Huge populations of our ancestors were herded up and moved to lands considered of little value. Oklahoma. Too bad they didn't just privatize that operation. We'd have no Indian Nation today.

Those private companies then persuaded the government to allow millions of low wage immigrants into the country to do the work "our people didn't want to do". No unions, no 40 hour work weeks, no health care, no minimum age limits, no minimum wage. Ahh, privatization is sweet. It spawned disgusting ghettos and crime waves still reverberating today. Golden Age? Old people like you and me lived on the streets begging food and getting robbed. All sound familiar? That government is best that governs least. Privatization. Socialism. Anti-union. Blah, blah, blah.

If you're going to quote history and yearn for its return, you should learn more about it.

[nathanm]

I don't think you have considered the downside of privatizing police, didn't you see Robocop?

That was one of the best Blu-Ray purchases I've made. It was great to be able to see the magic behind all the cheesy SFX. Guide wires on missles, that sort of thing.

And it's one of the best satirical movies of all time.

[shadows]

RM: There is a distinct difference between an administrator, without a policing background, representing and delegating to the employee of the taxpayers than one who has a trained background in policing who rewards a subordinate, intoxicated, pointing a gun at a civilian that is rewarded with an extended vacation with pay.  There is the old folks saying that it is only one bad apple but one apple will contaminate the whole barrel.  If such incidents happened under privatization where it was not subject to socialism how long would he have before he had his final check in hand?  Have you ever researched the creating of a police state?

Swake: Hoss: Did see Robocop, also the "Day After"; "2012" but we should be aware that this country with all its promises of a future is following the path taken by others before us that has lead to the death of thousands of our youth is from a mere spark that burst into flames of undeclared wars.  We must maintain  vigilance to even the sign of smoke. 

Waterboy:  Most of the jobs taken by the immigrants were financed by England.   The war of 1860 was a war between two nation the United Southern States and the Northern United States.   The immigrants were gathered into the Northern part as they were unemployed remnants of the British prison colonies that England had established here.   Roosevelt turn the country into a socialism system in the 40's and the government took control of all wages, production, supplies and purchased all items produced.  Under the present city government each day we are going down the path of the same socialism as we bloat the budget well beyond the accounts receivable that is almost now double inflation.  Today's question "How much can you afford to pay to maintain socialism? 

Socialism may be the answer to this faulted society.  The younger generation would look forward to nothing but entertainment with the city sending them a check each month, full health care, two weeks paid vacations to accumulate as extra money to travel on, and a pension if they would sleep in a city owned building.

If one wants to know about our history they would have to learn it from England, Spain, or France as we immortalize persons liken Paul Revere who was so drunk when he was to warn Hancock the British were coming to seize the gun powder that he rode into the marching redcoats yelling the British are coming.     

[waterboy]

Yeah, well Revere is not here to contest your assertion. Never heard that story myself. Whitey Ford, Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth were drunk or hungover during their record setting years in baseball. So what? They never had to call press conferences to apologize.

Roosevelt merely continued the path of progress started at the turn of the 20th century this country needed to flatten out the whipsaw depressions/panics that were common to the gilded age you so revere. The industrial age created massive problems and huge opportunities that required the cooperation of business and government. It seems to have turned out pretty well even though our highways, our parks, our bridges, our school systems, our health departments, our communication systems, our power systems.....are all the result of socialistic planning! Damn those socialists and their unholy alliances with capitalism! They will doom us I tell you.

That starts with S and it rhymes with Mess and it stands for Socialism! Right here in River City friends! TULSA-HOTBED OF SOCIALISM.

F. Roosevelt started his term of "socialization" in the thirties though. And you can't really blame him for exerting the control the government needed to win WWII. Well, I guess you will anyway. Also enjoyed your take on the Civil War and England subsidizing immigration. Your head must be swimming with alternate realities.